Crescendo and Diminuendo Hairpins not responding to certain stresses. (4.4) (4.4.1)
Two instances of these features not working as they did prior to 4.4:
I had wrote a song that makes use of a crescendo into a Fp to make a rolling type effect that worked really well in a pre-4.4 version of musescore 4, but when upgrading to 4.4, crescendos seem to not handle that well and it sounds more like accents.
The other instance, I had used a Diminuendo on a harpsichord part that was using an MS basic synth sound in the mixer, and pre-4.4 it would fade to the PP. Now, it does not, remaining the same audio level until after the note is released before recognizing the new dynamic.
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Please post the scores so that we can see what is happening.
In reply to Please post the scores so… by bobjp
The top score is the crescendo instance, the bottom line is the Diminuendo instance
In reply to The top score is the… by EtherealLight
Here is a seprate Mscz file containing the stresses, in the same order
This bug carried over to the new version as well.
> I had wrote a song that makes use of a crescendo into a Fp to make a rolling type effect that worked really well in a pre-4.4 version of musescore 4, but when upgrading to 4.4, crescendos seem to not handle that well and it sounds more like accents.
I'm still not sure what you mean. For which instrument, for example?
When I open the attached file in 4.3.2, I hear some weird unrhythmical effect in the Violoncellos, that does not correspond with the notation. It seems that the notes after the accented notes are somehow played as two 16ths instead of an 8th.
This was fixed in 4.4; so now the accents are played as accents, and the notes after that are also played as written. So actually this is an improvement: the playback now correctly matches the notation.
If you happened to like the unintended 4.3.2 effect, you can recreate that by actually notating it:
> The other instance, I had used a Diminuendo on a harpsichord part that was using an MS basic synth sound in the mixer, and pre-4.4 it would fade to the PP. Now, it does not, remaining the same audio level until after the note is released before recognizing the new dynamic.
This is by design, since it is not possible (in real life) to fade out notes on a harpsichord. After initially pressing the key, you cannot influence the sound anymore.
In reply to > I had wrote a song that… by cbjeukendrup
This was the effect I had originally intended for the first instance:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QlKO4GMkrjhGAN4JAB_5OZ0vdEFDgkTU/view?…
In reply to This was the effect I had… by EtherealLight
Within the 4.4.1 engine, it sounds like there is zero build up to the Fp.
In reply to Within the 4.4.1 engine, it… by EtherealLight
There is some, but it's a bit subtle indeed. The difference versus previously may also be caused by changes to the Muse Sounds libraries, which are independent of MuseScore. But there may also be a bug in MuseScore where it doesn't pick up the "forte" from "fortepiano" as the target dynamic of the crescendo. So the crescendo may go from piano to mezzopiano (because by default it goes one step up), while it should go from piano to forte (because forte should be seen as the target dynamic.
I'll check if this is indeed the problem and if we can solve it.
In reply to Within the 4.4.1 engine, it… by EtherealLight
It was indeed a bug, and a 4.4.0 regression. I created a fix here: https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/24569
Hopefully we'll be able to include this in the upcoming 4.4.2 release.
In reply to It was indeed a bug, and a 4… by cbjeukendrup
Cool! Thank you for your help!
In reply to > I had wrote a song that… by cbjeukendrup
Messing around with the second instance, I think if I switch the instruments around, I can create the effect I was looking for with the Synthesizer. Thank you for your help!
In reply to Messing around with the… by EtherealLight
I don't think fp works well, if at all. Try this score. I think it over does it. but at least it does something. I removed the fp's and put an f on the first note and a p on the second. re-entered the hairpins and dragged the f and p closer together. Something to think about, anyway.
In reply to I don't think fp works well,… by bobjp
Your score is pretty close to what I had, and I should've thought about doing your solution sooner. Thank you for the help!