3.3.0.8737 Hidden Notes & Formats
As titled with attached, bar 8 and 15 have hidden notes upon invisibling make formats (bar width and notes distance) not the same as the bars which do not have hidden notes, bar 4 for example.
How to adjust them make them look better?
02-07_Melancholic_Fantasy.mscz
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The recommended approach is to use a separate invisible staff for playback-only notes.
In reply to The recommended approach is… by Marc Sabatella
It loos doesn't work for me:
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02-07_Melancholic_Fantasy- 2 flutes.mscz
With MS2, I could just maunally move them, with MS3, very hard.
In reply to It loos doesn't work for me:… by Xianyue賢越
Press i remove the tick to visible
In reply to Press i remove the tick to… by Shoichi
yes, but i still missing MS2 way, which has it's advantages.
In reply to yes, but i still missing MS2… by Xianyue賢越
Some people want to be able to use invisible notes to achieve a particular spacing (eg, non-proportional). So it's important to have different methods to achieve different results. The invisible staff is the easier and better method both in 2 & 3.
In reply to Some people want to be able… by Marc Sabatella
Yes, this " invisible staff" way is easier than manually moving notes (chords) way, the drawbacks I could think of for now are: 1. Changing playback needs adujustment of two instruments in the mixer; 2. Students lose hints of how to play certain parts of music, in this case the turn with sharp, which could be shown simply by visibling the invisibles notes.
In reply to Yes, this " invisible staff"… by Xianyue賢越
ossia?
cutaway staff in which only measures containing notes are visible
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/staff-part-properties
In reply to Yes, this " invisible staff"… by Xianyue賢越
The corresponding advantage is that you can have independent control of the playback of the ornament, including a simple way to mute them all. As mentioned above, the invisible staff is actually much better for the hints, just make the staff visible again and set it to cutaway and always hide when empty - quicky creates ossia, which is the proper way to notate these anyhow.
In reply to The corresponding advantage… by Marc Sabatella
Thanks Marc & Shoichi, and those are busy somewhere else now for makiing MS the best among notation softwares.
In reply to The corresponding advantage… by Marc Sabatella
This second day, ossia was put on trial in real flute playing time: after many mouse clicks and keyboard strokes, a layout and format changed score was displayed --- it's just practically not feasible, comparing to the way of using hidden notes of voice 2 which only one stroke of user assigned hot key (shift+i) is needed.
It still the same topic if hidden notes should be automaic positioned which influence the visibles of reading and printing.
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In reply to This second day, ossia was… by Xianyue賢越
I'm confused, if you want to create ossia, there is no way to do that using the method you used. And the picture you posted makes no sense at all, it seems to be the worst of both worlds. Why not create normal ossia? One wonderful thing about ossia is that its just a single command to make that staff visible or invisible, not sure what you mean about "many mouse clicks and keybaord stroke" - press I, uncheck Visible, OK. That's far simpler than having to select all the invisible notes to toggle their visibility. So I'm not sure what you're doing erong, but the whole idea is that it really is the better way. maybe you mean, it takes some work to correct scores you've already entered the old way to make them work the better way? That is true, but it will be well worth it.
In reply to I'm confused, if you want to… by Marc Sabatella
I referred to one earlier suggestion to add an image for ossia. However, for some reason, after I have added about 8 images and closed the file, only one image was retained properly (i.e., still there when I opened the file again). Has anyone come across this problem?
In reply to I referred to one earlier… by bone
Probably you didn’t attach the image to any specific note or rest. MuseScore lets you drop onto a measure Rather than a note or rest, but that’s a bug, as it isn’t actually supported and doesn’t work as you have seen.
In reply to Probably you didn’t attach… by Marc Sabatella
you are right. Thanks, Marc. It's better to use the image option as it doesn't take up as much space as additional ossia staff lines.
In reply to you are right. Thanks, Marc… by bone
The cutaway is now the best way in version 3. you can use the fixed spacer if there's too much space between the two. It's as easy as entering the notes, right click the staff, click staff/part properties and check the cutaway option.
In reply to The corresponding advantage… by Marc Sabatella
Just another case of not practically easy with second instrument to get the desired format:
https://musescore.org/en/node/299652
i.e when showing the hiddens, overall layout/format gets changed, not easy to find the notes on attention.
In reply to Just another case of not… by Xianyue賢越
See my response there. It's not clear what you mean with respect to autoplace, and it's even less clear what relevance the second staff has here.
In reply to Some people want to be able… by Marc Sabatella
And in this case, "moving notes (chords)" way (by changing their X values) looks never achieving satisfying results.
I'm using 3.2 on a 32 bit, check if the trick (Invisible Instrument) works for you
In reply to I'm using 3.2 on a 32 bit,… by Shoichi
Yes, it works, thanks.
In reply to Yes, it works, thanks. by Xianyue賢越
https://musescore.org/en/node/46226 ?
I attach an example