Problem with added system text; cannot remove / edit
Good day all. Attached please find a piece my wife is working on with version 2.0.2 .
Page 3, between measures 40 and 43 , you'll see a flat symbol. In her own words, "I placed it and it went off to Kelly's." We are unable to select it to delete it within MuseScore. I have exported to XML in an attempt to find the offending item in the code and am unable to do so. However when I have MuseScore open the XML file, the misplaced flat is missing.
My question is this : without the export / open process ; how could I have fixed the misplaced symbol within MuseScore? I tried every trick I knew ( deleting entire pages of measures, surrounding measures ) , shy starting over.
My next question is : what items are NOT exported to an XML file that ARE supported in MuseScore - unless the list is too large to describe?
Thanks.
Al
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Fixed file: aLa_Chanson_de_Claudine.mscz
There were other weird signs like "<>" in followings measures (45->47) which were attached to flats, sharps or naturals: so, select this sign <>, then all similar elements, and cut.
It was an imported file maybe?
In reply to Fixed file: by cadiz1
The other "weird" signs , including the stray sharps and flats are what is needed to tell a harper / harpist when to throw levers. They are not accidentals, rather a note to the reader that "in this measure, throw the B lever flat so that in the next measure it will play correctly" . No other instrument I know of requires these notation, but lever harps do require them.
There are more of those markings seemingly dragged off to wrong places.
In 2.0.3 opening the score you attached doesn't even always display those symbols, depending on zoom level and/or selecting another measure!
What I could do, was zoom in on the natural of m47 and select that one. If you start dragging it, you can see it is actually anchored to the C on the 2nd beat of the measure before.
1. Right click it
2. Select > All Similar Elements
3. Ctrl-R
This reset all of those markings to their default positions/anchor points; you are now free to cut and paste them onto their intended locations as required.
Using continuous view, I found that your floating flat symbol actually could be selected at the end of m34 and that it is originally attached to the 3rd 1/8th in m30.
It also looks like you(r wife) should have a look at how to correctly enter accidentals: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/accidental . This will also ensure the playback is closer to the real thing. Make sure to select the note and then apply an accidental from the pallette to it.
As for the ritenuto that's in there; have a look at my plugin which could be of help to you: https://musescore.org/en/project/tempochanges
In reply to There are more of those by jeetee
Again, these are not accidentals, but rather warnings to change a lever , either sharp or flat. As for you finding the locations of the linked notations !!WONDERFUL !! - how did you do it?
I zoomed in and am unable to right click on the offending notation.
I will pass this info on to my gal in hopes that she also can learn from the issue.
Thanks
In reply to Again, these are not by aszy
That explains it, I'm completely unaware of any harpist notation requirements, so that's what threw me off.
The offending notation is really hard to select if it's off-page; therefor I prefer to switch to "Continuous View" instead of "Page View" for that. This can be done with the dropdown on the top toolbar, right next to the zoom box. See https://musescore.org/en/handbook/viewing-and-navigation#viewing-modes for a screenshot.
If you or your wife can provide samples of things MuseScore is lacking for harpist notation that are commonly required, I'd like to ask you to file these things as a feature request in the issue tracker (https://musescore.org/en/project/issues/musescore). When you do, please provide a clear reference as to what the symbol/symbols should behave like.
That way a developer might pick it up and have it included in the next version of MuseScore; saving you and everyone else that uses harpist notation the trouble of having to manually fiddle with those symbols.
In reply to That explains it, I'm by jeetee
Thanks for the tip on Continuous View. Unfortunately for me, I was unable to find the offending marks - they seemingly do not show in CV but do in PV . Most Curious.
I spoke with her about other needed marks and she says that MuseScore has everything except for a unique function. What she ( and others ) would like is for the system palette notation for flats , sharps and naturals be able to not just lock to a specific note, but also lock to the diamond shape. Pretty rare need, but that's how she got into trouble with this score. She dropped the diamond to note where to move a lever , then placed an accidental system mark as close as she could to the diamond. She mishandled the drop and off it went.
I still think that it's weird that despite it being visible, it's not selectable directly.
Thanks again.
PS: she also says that palette items with the diamond with a sharp,flat or natural all in one graphic would work just fine as well.
In reply to Thanks for the tip on by aszy
As for a one-graphic solution, it's kind of the long(er) way round, but perhaps this is something you can create yourself in the meantime? If you have the graphics, you should be able to add them to your own custom palette (see https://musescore.org/en/handbook/palette) for easier reuse.
I'm not sure about how it affects automatic spacing though..
In reply to Thanks for the tip on by aszy
Sounds like a very unusual situation, not sure it really makes sense to implement special casing just for that pair of symbols. In general, the ability to attach symbols to other symbols is useful in other contexts as well, so I think it makes more sense to look at it that way. And MuseScore already supports this. Simply enter the first symbol, make sure it is selected, then double-click the second symbol in the palette. The second symbol will be attached to the first, and will thus move with it if you reposition the first. BTW, in general, double-click is almost always the preferred way to add elements from any palette to your score - select what you want it to attach to, then double-click the palette icon.
In reply to Sounds like a very unusual by Marc Sabatella
I agree that it does not make sense. Too much work for too little use.
I did try your double click and failed.
Started with a new document, added four notes, selected one.
Opened the Articulations Ornaments palette , double clicked on "Volume Swell" a.k.a. diamond.
And in fact, the graphic was deposited either above or below the chosen. Easy to move... but I left it where it dropped.
While the new graphic was still selected, I then double clicked the flat symbol from the Accidentals palette and got no action. No "boop" error sound, nothing. Tried this with a number of variations to no avail.
If I re-choose the note, I can add the accidental, ( actually either order works ) , but they don't stack; e.g. add the diamond, then add the accidental to the diamond, nor link.
Running 2.0.2.
In reply to I agree that it does not make by aszy
What I described works for *symbols* - literally, the elements added from the Symbols palette that appears when you press "Z".
In reply to What I described works for by Marc Sabatella
That's quite wonderful.... thank you.
It does present a need for a solution.
It would be great if one could have a local , personalized mini Symbols palette , so that one would not have to search through that amazing list of geegaws and arcanery to find the ones that you commonly use.
That not withstanding, an excellent solution.
Al
In reply to That's quite wonderful.... by aszy
You can already have that - see the Handbook under "Custom palette". Also, notice the search bar at the top of the symbols palette - shouldn't be necessary to look through the whole list often at all.
As for what symbols are not supported in MusicXML, I'm not sure we maintain such a list. "Most" markings are, although some with more full support than others. Is there soemthing in particular you are wondering about?
In reply to As for what symbols are not by Marc Sabatella
Nah, the question came about because once I exported the score to XML, I could not find the odd / weird notations that she'd put in. Went through the XML output section by section and am actually working on a small subset just to see where it might be hiding and under what tags.
As far as symbols go, MuseScore is great, I just don't know what MuseScore supports that XML does not.
Ah... the journey.
Thanks
Al
In reply to Nah, the question came about by aszy
The symbol that didn't show up in MusicXML isn't because that symbol isn't supported; it's because that symbol doesn't really exist in your score. Or rather, it exists but was dragged right off the page and now exists only in some kind of limbo where you can see the symbol only if there happens to be *another* page at the same physical position relative to the page you dragged it off.
If I'm not mistaken, harp pedal diagrams are a lot better in MuseScore 2.0.3 than in 2.0.2—you should probably update when you can. See https://www.facebook.com/musescore/posts/10154153514647678, and https://musescore.org/en/developers-handbook/release-notes/release-note….
In reply to If I'm not mistaken, harp by Isaac Weiss
Thanks for the thought, however Pedal Harps are not Lever Harps and none of the Pedal Harp notations work for Lever Harpers. ( They even make a distinction between Harpers and Harpists based on the differences ).
Small community , only a couple hundred thousand or so , in the lever harp genre.
Far fewer Pedal Harps.
Thanks again.
Al
In reply to Thanks for the thought, by aszy
Sorry, you can tell I'm very much a non-harpist. ;-)