Bar Line and Measure Bugs
When I hit the delete key dozens of bar lines randomly cover my score and if I hit the touch-pad the bar lines compound in number. If I debug and restart the program, then the lines are gone, but the same problems happens again. I'm using the latest Musescore with Windows 7. Musescore is running as an administrator.
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Oh, forgot to mention that also measures with the wrong value of rests (for example: a whole rest being replaced by an eight rest) will appear randomly on the restart and that rest will move to the proceeding bar if I try to remove it in any way. It's only if I delete the measure that I can get rid of it, but I'm having a problem replacing the measure with the copied info if it's a bar of 3/4 between 2/4's.
In reply to Measure bugs by Dada
Could you post the score that is giving you trouble, and exact series of steps to reproduce? When you say "latest", do you mean one of the experimental nightly builds, or version 1.1 that was just made available yesterday, or something a bit older?
In reply to Could you post the score that by Marc Sabatella
Thank you, Marc for the offer to help. I had version 1.0 and just down-loaded 1.1. The issue persists. If I click on a note and hit delete, about 12 to 24 evenly spaced bar lines will appear in the middle of my score. If I click on a anomalous bar line, then the keypad will double the amount of anomalous bar lines. Also, if I click on a note, or group of notes, and use the up/down arrows to raise or lower pitch, then new bar lines will appear. I'm sorry, but at this time I can't post this score on the internet. Marc, I'm sorry, but for now, you'll have to go with my description. Or, if needed, I can try to elaborate further. Thanks, once again for your offer to help. It IS very appreciated.
In reply to bar line bugs by Dada
I can only guess the file has been corrupted somehow. Perhaps try doing a "save as" into mscx format, and then reloading that. Or if that fails, MusicXML. Without seeing the file itself, it's going to be impossible for the develoeprs to really do anything about it, though. If you're nervous about posting it publicly for some reason, you might try submitting an issue to the tracker and offering to at least email a copy to whomever ends up looking at the issue.
In reply to bar line bugs by Dada
The only time I've managed to get this barline problem is importing a MusicXML, exported from Finale. Many XML import bugs have been fixed for 1.1, and when I re-imported my XML, the barline issue seemed better, but I didn't test extensively. Could this be your problem?
In reply to The only time I've managed to by schepers
Hey Guys, thanks for your ideas. No, saving this way doesn't help. ...and, no this music wasn't imported from anywhere else. It was created here first.. Further description, the bar lines go straight across the entire score on each top box for the violin 2, viola, and cello parts continuing into the white spaces into the next horizontal staff. Is ther a way to save my score on the hard drive, uninstall/ reinstall Musescore, and then open the score in a fresh Musecore. Would that even help? Oh, and yes, I would be willing to email the score to a developer. Can these files be emailed? That would perhaps offer a solution to somehow saving and reloading into a new Musescore? I love this program and have told some students about it. I hope that this bug can be resolved.
In reply to bar line bugs by Dada
attach a copy of the score?
In reply to Would you by xavierjazz
Thanks Xavierjazz...Please read the previous posts for the answer to your request to see the score. Besides, if there is an issue with the file or program, then seeing the score has no relevance. I have fully described the symptoms of the bug. which have unfortunately rendered this program almost useless to me at this time.
In reply to bar line bugs by Dada
Regards,
In reply to bar line bugs by Dada
Not sure why you'd say seeing the file has no relevance. It's themonly possible way ypthemproblem could possibly be fixed. Bit not by any of us. I was just going to see of I could reproduce it, so we'd no if the problem is an istallation issue on your system, a corroupt file, or what. But in any case, no, a mere description of the problem is of no help. If you want help, you,re going to have to provide the file. Have you sunmitted an issue yet?
In reply to Not sure why you'd say seeing by Marc Sabatella
Marc, I said score not file.
In reply to bar line bugs by Dada
I'm not understanding the distinction between seeing the score and seeing the file here (seeing the file necessarily seeing the score), but I'm glad you got it fixed! Just know for future reference, the key to being able fix bugs is being able to reproduce them, and a list of symptoms doesn't do that. That's why you will almost always see a request for the file, or at least, instructions on how to recreate those symptoms when starting from scratch. John's suggestion of changing things if you're concerned with copyright or the possibility of someone using your work inappropriately is a good one.
In reply to I'm not understanding the by Marc Sabatella
Not wanting the score to be public or visible has been an issue with some people reporting bugs. What obvious methods exist to alleviate this fear? One I was just considering is an encryption option when you attach a file. Allow for a checkbox "Encrypt file" and a enter a passphrase for encryption. Only developers could decrypt the file, us regular posters would still see it but the file would be useless to us. Either this, or a private email address direct to one of the developers.
In reply to Not wanting the score to be by schepers
The current solution is to use a URL instead of a attachment. You post your score in for example your dropbox, share a link to it, and when you are sure a developer got the file, you delete it and the link is dead.
Regarding encryption, not sharing files etc..., it's the decision of the user to don't share his scores. On this forum and in the MuseScore community at large, we share. We share code, we share scores, we share advices, tips, time etc... and that's why MuseScore becomes better. If you don't want to share, it's your choice and I respect this, but don't expect people to share anything with you, including time to implement some sort of encryption to lock sharing.
In reply to I'm not understanding the by Marc Sabatella
Marc, a file is stored on the hard drive as a part of the system function and a score is a document. Yes, John did have a clever idea how to send someone a partial score. That's worth noting.
In reply to bar line bugs by Dada
What I've done in the case of files that I can't post for copyright reasons is to make up a small file that demonstrates the issue without containing any protected material. Perhaps copy and paste a few bars into a new file, then randomly move most of the pitches up or down.
-- J.S.
In reply to What I've done in the case of by John Sprung
Late last night, I fixed the problem, I think. Fortunately, I was able to compose and make edits without having issues. Solution: There was a measures that had extra bar lines in them when I opened Musecore. I deleted those measures and reinserted new ones with the info pasted back in. After this, the program worked fine. The anomalous bars may have gotten inserted when I used the arrows too fast in trying to retrieve a good starting point in the middle of the score, or perhaps it happened when I edited something when a note was lit up blue from a previous play-back. I'm not quite sure what the cause for those misplaced bar lines, but I'll try to notice a cause if this happens again and let the forum know. In the meantime, thanks for all of your concern and offers to help. I'm back in the game!
In reply to Problem Solution, I think by Dada
Yes, this is the solution, I checked it out twice. What caused it was copy and pasting a complex measure by high-lighting the measure from the first and last notes and not just copying the entire measure. with a one click box entry. If you delete all measures with extra bar lines and odd beat rests ( for ex: 3 and 1/2 beats of rests in a 3/4 measure). then debug and restart Musescore, then you will be OK to continue. This is an excellent program that is much fun to use. Thank you developers for offering us this great program.
. ...and lasconic : you have a lot of nerve. Two times I asked the forum for help and two times I found the solution myself and shared it. So far, I've only contributed to this forum with politeness and solutions, so back off. My work is not properly copyrighted, so I don't want to share it on the internet. If you felt about your work, as I do of mine, then you would be a fool to do otherwise. If people don't want to help me with bugs to this program because I don't want to hand them an un-copyrighted score, then I don't need or want their help. If they want to help because they are kind, unselfish, inquisitive, caring, or just interested, then thank you, I appreciate your help. I suspect that there are some on this forum that couldn't write an original musical thought worth anything that are looking to steal someone's ideas. Maybe you're one of them. Good luck. I don't want your help.
In reply to Solution confirmed by Dada
Sorry if I sound on my nerves, I was just trying to explain and english is not my native language. Of course, my post was not meant to encourage anyone to post copyrighted content here but posting a file and steps to reproduce the behavior is the only way for us to find out the bugs and fix them. As someone said earlier, sharing a score can also mean sharing a part of the music, with notes totally changed if necessary, to demonstrate the problem.
Thanks for sharing your solutions anyway.
In reply to Solution confirmed by Dada
Actually, in virtually all countries in the world, a work is protected by copyright law the moment is written down or otherwise "fixed on tangible form" (that's the wording in The US). This is required by both the Berne Convention and the WTO. The entirely optional step of registering the copyright is possible in some countries (eg, the US), but in absolutely no way does not registering make it legal for anyone to use your work without permission. It just simplifies the process of initaiting a lawsuit in the unlikely event someone *does* attempt to use your work without permsission. And such optional registration can be performed at any time; it doesn't have to be before the work is published, or indeed, before the violation itself. So there is no extra step you need to take in order to gain the protection of copyright law before posting a score. If it's been notated in MuseScore, it is 100% copyrighted.
Also, the fact that there are thousands of orignal compositions freely shared - every single of them fully copyrighted the moment they were created in MuseScore, just as yours are - is not meant to bully you into sharing your own fully copyrighted work if you don't want. At least, not under normal circumstances. But it does help put some perspective on the issue of music being used without permission. With so much fully copyrighted but publicly browsable music freely available to read and listen to on this site (and on musescore.com), if a criminal were really interested in finding copyrighted music to use without permission, there are plenty of ways to so easily by checking out the forums where people are showing off completed pieces they are especially proud of. Such criminals would be extremely unlikely to operate by combing the support forum looking for pieces posted as demonstrations and then checking them out one by one to see if any of them are anything more than brief fragmemts and are good enough to want to use illegally. That would be a highly inefficiemt way for a criminal to operate. So there's really nothing to worry about.
Bottom line: if you ever have any intention whatsoever about anyone else ever seeing or hearing your music, it is open to the remote possibility of their using it without permission, but posting to a support forum in no way makes that any more likley, or any more legal.
In reply to Actually, in virtually all by Marc Sabatella
I would just add that posting a version of your original composition is an excellent way to prove copyright, should the need arise.
Regards,
In reply to Well said Marc. by xavierjazz
I, too, found the basic information pertaining to copyright useful. Thanks, Marc.
@Dada: As a relative newcomer to this forum, you might not know that Lasconic is very helpful to users with questions or problems, generously shares his time and knowledge, and is on MuseScore's development team. He truly is one of those 'kind, unselfish, inquisitive, caring, or just interested' people on this forum, and we're fortunate to have his active participation here. I believe your criticism was harsh and unwarranted, and you might consider apologizing.
It's always good to keep in mind that this is an international community in which everybody's native language is not English. I try to assume that all questions are asked in good faith ... and that all answers are offered in the spirit of goodwill.
In reply to informative by [DELETED] 448831
Well, you guys are obviously passionate. I'll speak with my copyright lawyer regarding all of this new copyright info that you are stating as the law. Stevebob, if you read carefully what I've written, then you would see that there hasn't been any criticism of anyone. Let's move on and keep this discussion positive and on topic.
In reply to Copyright Information by Dada
You wrote:
"...and lasconic : you have a lot of nerve. Two times I asked the forum for help and two times I found the solution myself and shared it. So far, I've only contributed to this forum with politeness and solutions, so back off. My work is not properly copyrighted, so I don't want to share it on the internet. If you felt about your work, as I do of mine, then you would be a fool to do otherwise. If people don't want to help me with bugs to this program because I don't want to hand them an un-copyrighted score, then I don't need or want their help. If they want to help because they are kind, unselfish, inquisitive, caring, or just interested, then thank you, I appreciate your help. I suspect that there are some on this forum that couldn't write an original musical thought worth anything that are looking to steal someone's ideas. Maybe you're one of them. Good luck. I don't want your help."
Duly read -- 'carefully'! -- and it doesn't seem 'positive'. You can certainly choose not to apologize for your language or attitude, but the claim that 'there hasn't been any criticism of anyone' is not credible. The unfortunate consequence of a personal attack -- and, especially, of denying it afterward despite evidence of the obvious -- is that help may be less likely to be offered in the future.
As to moving on and keeping 'on topic', what is the topic at this point? Discussions drift naturally, and this one already diverged from barline bugs into copyright law. Was the glitch you originally reported solved to your satisfaction, or do you wish to return to that topic?
In reply to Copyright Information by Dada
FWIW, there are plenty of books on the subject of copyright and other aspects of the music business, written by lawyers for lay people. And of course, plenty of web sites with good information out there, including the full text of US copyright law on the government web site (probably other countires have this as well). I mean, if you have the money to consult with a lawyer on this, by all means, go for it, but the information is out there to be had much more easily and inexpensively as well. So no reason to just take my word for it, but no reason to remain in doubt any longer either.
One place to start if you live in the US is the government's own web site for copyright law. Here, for example, is their FAQ:
http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/
And the document referenced there:
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.pdf
The first section of the FAQ covers exactly what I was saying - the fact that copyright exist exists the moment the work is "fixed in a tangible form", and that registration is voluntary. You'll see they say registration is "recommendeded" as it has relevance if you should ever need to litigate, but they also make it clear that registration doesn't have to occur before publication. Because of the five year window explicitly called for in the guidelines in order for the registration to be consider prima facie evidence in court, what many do is just submit a bundle of compositions to be registered all together as a collection every five years - which is to say, *after* publication. But there would be no additional benefit in registering a copyright before publication, and again, the document in question explicitly says registration can be performed "at any time within the life of the copyright".
That's the legal aspect, and there can be no possible question on that. But there is also the practical aspect - the actual likelihood of an infringement based on posting to a support forum. That's harder to establish, but you might try to do a search to see if you can find any such cases anywhere in the world. I think you'll find it is nowhere near as common as you might fear, but obviously, no one can offer guarantees that it won't happen. All I can say for sure is that it not registering your copyright in no way makes it legal for someone to uses your work without permission, nor does it make it any more likely.
In reply to FWIW, there are plenty of by Marc Sabatella
Thanks, Marc, for the links to updated copyright law. I'll read them through.
In reply to FWIW, there are plenty of by Marc Sabatella
Those links are to U.S. copyright information. The bad news is that over a hundred countries around the world each have their own equally complex setup. The internet, being global, steps simultaneously in all those steaming piles of legal complexity. (IIRC, some of the works of Ravel go into public domain here in this year, but not until 2015 in France, and other dates in other places.) There have even been international treaties that have pulled stuff back out of public domain. It' a huge mess. It's why major entertainment companies have offices full of people who do nothing all day but music clearances. Sometimes they get it wrong, and lawsuits ensue....
Here are some places to start looking:
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ38a.pdf
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ38b.pdf
-- J.S.
In reply to Those links are to U.S. by John Sprung
Thanks, for the links, John. Yes, the whole copy right affair is a tricky issue. Having been a professional recording musician for over forty years, I have been on the unfortunate side of being taken advantage of too many times. I actually have recordings out there where companies in Europe are making all the money from my recordings eventhough our contract is expired. and I'm holding a US copyright. I would have no problem sending a file to a certified and proven developer of Musescore, but I will not issue my scores publicly without my publisher's consent. It's unfortunate for me that this seems to be the only way that this forum's participants can help with a bug. Fortunate for me, I have enough experience with various software platforms that I was able to solve my bug issues. Everyone's offers for help have been very appreciated and humbling.
In reply to Those links are to U.S. by John Sprung
True, different countries work differently, and that can be a pain. But the good news is, "most" countries belong to either the Berne Convention or the WTO, and both of them enforce that the basic idea that copyright exists the moment the work is created.
As for people making pirated / bootleg copies of commercially released recordings, that's obviously very common. I never meant to imply that copyright violation isn't something to ever be concerned with. But the particular case of scores posted to support forums being exploited illegally is much more rare than the piracy/bootlegging of commercial recordings, and in fact, I doubt anyone can prove it's ever happened.
In reply to bar line bugs by Dada
The topic has drifted somewhat, but if I can point one thing out to Dada that I'm not sure he comprehended....
I understand your concern about posting your music on the internet, but you simply cannot come here, describe a problem, and expect someone to give you the solution. You seemed to think that because you described what was happening that someone should tell you what the problem was. It would be akin to calling a car mechanic, describing the problem your car is having, and expecting him to be able to accurately diagnose the problem and tell you how to fix it over the phone. While he may be able to give you a general guess or two, the mechanic is going to want to see the car to look under the hood before he can give you an accurate assessment of what's wrong and how to fix it.
Same with your file that was having some sort of problem or corruption with the bar lines. One of the developers can accurately diagnose the problem by "looking under the hood" to see what might have gone wrong, otherwise, it's just going to be general guesses. If you don't want to share, it's perfectly understandable, and you have that right, just please understand that it makes it much more difficult to help you. You didn't seem to get that no one can fix the problem, but only make vague "shot in the dark" suggestions based on your description of the problem.
And I'm sorry, but whether you intended to come off rude to lasconic or not, you did, and you owe him an apology. He was only trying to help you. As one of the developers, he has given untold hours of his time not only to the program, but to the forums to help troubleshoot and eliminate bugs. I'm just sayin'.
In reply to Can I Just Add.... by newsome
Au contraire. There is a successful radio show on NPR called the "Car Brothers" who listen to people describe they're car problems and offer cogent and helpful ways to remedy the solution. They have a proven track record of success.
It's my understanding that I can ask for help anyway that I want to. If no one wants to help, then that is they're business. As I've said before, I've presented my three bug issues in two posts, solved the bugs myself and posted the solutions. Am I doing anyone a disservice? I think, rather, the opposite. BTW, lasconic apologized to me, and I still don't see a need to apologize back to him. There's a difference between being direct and being rude. Perhaps you just can't understand the differentiation. If anyone's feeling are ever hurt by my directness, then I apologize right now, beforehand. This can be a cruel world and there are those out in the internet using false names who make a business of trying to hurt others. I'm not one of them. In fact, my experience is that better results with people are obtained with kindness. In my reply to lasconic, I was simply and directly telling someone, whom I perceived was pushing me around, to back off. If you re-read the post, you will not see a personal attack. After lasconic's reply to me, I see that he/she is one of the good guys.
I also mentioned (and my reasons were presented clearly) that I have no problem sending my original file to a developer. Marc had a great idea, which is to make an example copy of the issue and post that, so that the problem can be seen visually without having to post the original score. My method in dealing with future bug issues will vary slightly from my first attempts. I will be to post the perceived bug immediately, see if someone has a solution to the described problem, try to fix it myself (assume that I did something outside of the program's procedural protocol, post an example of the score, if I find the fix anywhere along this process, then post the fix. This is a wonderful program and this forum can be it's life-saver for many who use it, as well as for developers to finding out new ways to improve it and to learn how people are using it. I assure you that I will not be wasting anymore of my time, or of others', posting replies such as this one. I hope that I made myself clear with you, Newsome. I hope that this palaverous post will be of service to someone. Please, let's move on to posting the business of the software.
In reply to Au Contraire and Let's Just Move On by Dada
Again, Dada insists that it's necessary to re-read what he wrote. So -- again! -- here it is:
"...and lasconic : you have a lot of nerve. Two times I asked the forum for help and two times I found the solution myself and shared it. So far, I've only contributed to this forum with politeness and solutions, so back off. My work is not properly copyrighted, so I don't want to share it on the internet. If you felt about your work, as I do of mine, then you would be a fool to do otherwise. If people don't want to help me with bugs to this program because I don't want to hand them an un-copyrighted score, then I don't need or want their help. If they want to help because they are kind, unselfish, inquisitive, caring, or just interested, then thank you, I appreciate your help. I suspect that there are some on this forum that couldn't write an original musical thought worth anything that are looking to steal someone's ideas. Maybe you're one of them. Good luck. I don't want your help."
Newsome, you must have noticed that I commented twice before on the language and attitude in that quotation -- and you likewise must have noticed Dada's reactions then -- so I wonder if you expected anything different this time around. Personally, I can't agree that the paradigm for rudeness has changed to mere 'directness' ... but I'll resist the temptation to make a more 'palaverous' analysis. Let's just say ... people are funny. :-)
In reply to That's about what I expected. by [DELETED] 448831
Some people think that copy and pasting someone else's words prove comprehension and understanding. Funny. So, Stevebob, bugger off, grow up, and stop wasting my time. Is that direct enough for you? My apologies, if you think it's rude. I don't care what you think, at this point.
In reply to Sorry, I expected more by Dada
"Some people think that copy and pasting someone else's words prove comprehension and understanding. Funny. So, Stevebob, bugger off, grow up, and stop wasting my time. Is that direct enough for you? My apologies, if you think it's rude. I don't care what you think, at this point.:"
Actually, copying and pasting someone else's words -- in the form of a quotation -- allow those words to speak for themselves. And you did specifically and repeatedly ask that those exact words be re-read!
"Bugger off" should get you banned from here, and I hope it does. If I may offer you some 'direct' advice: you honestly come off as a malignant narcissist. I hope you get help for that, but this isn't the place for it.
In reply to Oh, now THAT's definitely worth quoting! by [DELETED] 448831
" If I may offer you some 'direct' advice: you honestly come off as a malignant narcissist. I hope you get help for that, but this isn't the place for it. Stevebob,"
This is what I expected from you. This is a personal attack using name-calling. Now, THAT'S rude! My momma taught me that if someone points the finger at someone, then there's four pointing back at themselves. You are the type of person lurking on the internet that I wrote of in one of my posts. It's too bad that all these forum's comments come straight to my email without me having the benefit of screening out some participants. I hope that the developers read your posts and find a solution to insuring all participants' privacy. You, Stevebob, who has not offered any intelligent solution to my bug queries, or, this post, would definitively be the first on the list. You can copy and paste this, also.
In reply to Just what I expected by Dada
I suggest that if you want to continue your argument, contact each other directly.
In reply to Please stop this. by xavierjazz
You're correct and I will stop, I've said my peace. Several of these posts came in during the 45 minutes that I was typing my reply this morning, and I didn't see them until I was done and had posted. If it's possible to lock a thread, I think this one would be a good candidate.
In reply to Sorry Xavierjazz.... by newsome
These forums have the appearance of being unmoderated, which is perhaps not a good thing (even though they have been remarkably free from the sort of acrimony and pathology that are common elsewhere in similar venues). I agree this thread should be a candidate for locking, which I don't recall ever seeing happen here. For that matter, though, there's no apparent notification mechanism for 'reporting' an offensive or abusive post -- only for marking it as 'spam'.
If there were such a means of notification re inappropriate content, I think much of what was seen in this discussion would have been pre-empted and escalation would have been obviated. (Of course, the downside is that such a mechanism would itself be subject to abuse because of judgments, and judgment calls, that are more likely to be petty than substantive.)
In reply to Just what I expected by Dada
And quoted for the record.
" If I may offer you some 'direct' advice: you honestly come off as a malignant narcissist. I hope you get help for that, but this isn't the place for it. Stevebob,"
This is what I expected from you. This is a personal attack using name-calling. Now, THAT'S rude! My momma taught me that if someone points the finger at someone, then there's four pointing back at themselves. You are the type of person lurking on the internet that I wrote of in one of my posts. It's too bad that all these forum's comments come straight to my email without me having the benefit of screening out some participants. I hope that the developers read your posts and find a solution to insuring all participants' privacy. You, Stevebob, who has not offered any intelligent solution to my bug queries, or, this post, would definitively be the first on the list. You can copy and paste this, also.
In reply to Au Contraire and Let's Just Move On by Dada
I'm not really interested in continuing the personal aspects of any this - that's done as far as I am concerned. But I do want to clarify something about the technical aspect. Yes, sometimes posting symptoms is good enough to allow a solution to be discovered. But at least as often, it is not. You think the car guys air every question that gets submitted? And in any case, software is not an automobile. There is no getting around the fact that most of the time, a sample file, or specific instructions on how to reproduce a problem from a blank score, will be required to solve the problem. Peoplesubmitting bug reports do need to realize this.
In reply to I'm not really interested in by Marc Sabatella
If you were the recipient of rudeness or attacks, would you still ignore those 'personal aspects'? Would your own persistence at offering any technical help you can extend to those who would kick you in the face for it?
If someone's philosophy of 'turning the other cheek' extends that far, so be it. I'm just genuinely curious -- and curious why you would even mention "continuing' something that's 'done as far as [you're] concerned' when you never before commented on that issue or allowed it to concern you anyway.
In reply to I'm not really interested in by Marc Sabatella
Yes, Marc, as I mentioned in one of my previous posts, I thought that your idea for submitting an example (sample) score is excellent. That will be incorporated into any new bug threads that I may start. One other suggestion to developers regarding this forum would be that the person who originated a discussion have the ability to request that it be locked once a solution is found. It's an invasion of my privacy to receive emails from the tag team lurkers on this thread who have nothing to add to the original topic. If it can be locked, then I request to put an end to this particular thread. The copy-right discussion was interesting, but I was happy with the solution to my bug issue, days ago. Thanks, again to you and the others who have tried to help. Hopefully, this is the end of this thread.
In reply to Marc's solution by Dada
"It's an invasion of my privacy to receive emails from the tag team lurkers on this thread who have nothing to add to the original topic."
Receiving those pesky e-mails that supposedly invade your privacy is your choice. Maybe someone with inexhaustible goodwill will tell you how to control your preferences and change them from the default ones.
In reply to bar line bugs by Dada
This will be my last words in this post, and then I'm going to move on with my day and week. A few observations Dada:
** Your Car Talk analogy is a great one, but as I'm a frequent listener I know that during the "Stump the Chumps" segment, you frequently find that they're wrong as much as they're right, because again, you can't accurately diagnose a problem with a car or a MuseScore file without getting under the hood. That's why you were asked for a copy of the file, so someone could do just that and help you. Which leads me to....
** You are correct that lasconic apologized for coming off harsh, because he's a nice guy. You came off harsh as well with your response to him, but you're sticking with your "being direct is not being rude" argument, in spite of the fact that you have multiple people on here telling you that you were, and continue to be. Which leads me to...
** I personally take offense to people who are rude on these forums, especially when they come off as a spoiled brat as you did. When you were asked for a copy of your file, you essentially said "I've described the problem, that should be enough." In other words, "I want you to fix my problem, and to fix it the way I want it fixed." I take offense because, up to two years ago I was paying MakeMusic money for Finale updates every year or two for a program that I hated in many ways. I love MuseScore and its helpful user community, and I take offense at people who don't pay for this program OR this free technical support who complain and are rude. Please feel free to pay for FInale, Sibelius, or any of the other overpriced notation programs so you can pay for their technical support and demand things.
If you don't get anything else out of this thread Dada, get this: MuseScore was created and is maintained by volunteers, and these forums are staffed by users and volunteers. Those like myself who post on here are passionate users, and, aside from the fact that it's simply bad common courtesy, the fastest way to NOT get help for your current and future problems and questions is to be rude and combative. If only one person were telling you this, you could dismiss it as personal. If you've got multiple people telling you, maybe it's not us, it's you.