minor chord names
When I put in "Ab7" I get a nice A-flat seventh chord. But when I put in Am7b5, the b5 part is not parsed correctly. It just shows up as "b5" test, not as a superscript with a flat symbol. How do I put in any type of minor seventh chords, including alterations?
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In reply to Hi. by xavierjazz
Never mind I figured it out. I did not find it by looking in the local handbook, or in the online handbook. Finally after searching all over I discovered a tutorial embedded in a description of jazz notation as a "new feature."
Perhaps the "-" sign could be parsed as minor also? Most jazz lead sheets that I've played from do not use "mi" for minor.
In reply to Found it by pdeck
Actually, it"s not jazz notation in general that is new, just some tweaks to make it better. Presumably you are referring to the article listed at the bottom right corner of the musescore.org home page. If you read it all the way through and follow the links, you'll that it *is* possible to get MuseScore to use "-" for minor - you just need to set the appropriate chordname general style. This is also documented in the Handbook under "chord names". This is one of the new 1.1 enhancements.
But FWIW, while "mi" (and "ma") might not be universal, it is actually the closest thing to a standard in the jazz world for the past few decades. A book by Brandt & Roemer first pushed this back in the 70's, but it's taken a while to catch on. Two of the biggest / most prominent current proponents of this style of notation are Chuck Sher and Sammy Nestico - surely two of the biggest names in the jazz publishing world. And a lot of big band publishers are moving to this standard.
"-" for minor, on the other hand, is used by almost no major publishers any more. So I don't personally recommend it. Hal Leonard uses it for their Real Book series only because it was used by the original Real Book. But as I said, the "-" *is* available, in two of the provided styles, actually - cchords_rb and cchords_sym.
In reply to Actually, it"s not jazz by Marc Sabatella
been common to use the "+" and "-" instead of "#" and "b" with extensions.
In reply to It has also by xavierjazz
True, and that's one of the reasons Brandt. & Roemer argue against "-" for minor. Although they do advocate "+" for augmented, which strikes me as a bit inconsistent, given that some chord symbols involving both "+" and "9" might be somewhat ambiguous. Oh well.
In reply to True, and that's one of the by Marc Sabatella
found that also.
Generally If I use those symbols for extensions, I will bracket the extension to remove uncertainty.
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In reply to Actually, it"s not jazz by Marc Sabatella
Thank you very much. When I read this section in the Local Handbook at first I didn't know what the hell they were talking about, but now I see it makes better sense. I just started using MuseScore yesterday so I do need a little time to become familiar with things.
With the change to the general style my lead sheet now has those lovely Real Book style "-" signs for minor sevenths. I feel at peace now.
This is pretty good software. I think I'm going to enjoy using it.
In reply to This worked for me and by pdeck
I think you'll enjoy it, too! Do check out the tutorials on creating lead sheets if you haven't already. They are referenced in the same article that introduced the new jazz features.
Right now I am faced with the awkward "Cmi(ma7)/Eb" instead of "Cm(T7)/Eb" where T is for "triangle". How would you notate this chord most succinctly?
In reply to Minor-major chords by dfrankow
Also, I entered "A13(#11b9)" and it did not parse the #11b9 to make sharp and flat signs. How to do this one?
In reply to Also, I entered "A13(#11b9)" by dfrankow
The "b" doesn't get shrunk to flat size.
Eb+(ma9) has the same problem of course.
In reply to Also, Eb+(ma7)? by dfrankow
The specifics of how you enter chords depends on the specific chord name style you are using. But you can see the full list of supported chords for a given style by running the Create Chord Chart plugin (under the Plugins -> Lead Sheet submenu). If you like triangles better than "ma", then you'd probably like the cchords_sym style the best, so perhaps you should switch to it. If you generate the chord chart for that style, you should be able to see how to enter all chords you are interested in. Just know that to get the triangle, you will still type "ma". And in general, you won't type parens, but they will be displayed where appropriate for the given style.
Unfortunately, MuseScore is pretty rigid about chord recognition - there is a a list of 100-some-odd chords it knows, and while there are several different *styles* available, it only recognizes chords one way. So if the style you have selected uses "ma", you can't also use "maj" or triangle. I am hopeful that someday the chord parer will be able to handle a broader range of inputs, but that's not likely to be in 2.0.
In reply to The specifics of how you by Marc Sabatella
Lookng at the chart for cchords_sym, I see you would get the requested chords by typing
C-ma7 (which will display with a triangle)
A13b9#11 (must list 9ths before 11ths in order to be recognized)
Ebma#57 (which will display with a triangle; note MuseScore does not use + for chords other than triads and otherwise unaltered dominants)
Ebma9#5
You can to some degree customize the style files if you really really need to have your chords displayed a particular way other than the various standard styles that are supplied. But do be aware the resultant files won't look the same when opened by MuseScore on any system but your own.
In reply to Also, I entered "A13(#11b9)" by dfrankow
In my experience, the "13" chord implies, Minor 7, Flat 9, Sharp 11 and natural 13. When the 13 is flatted, I use Alt for altered.
In reply to In my experience, the "13" by xavierjazz
I might agree "13" implies minor 7, sharp 13, natural 13. However, with no further notation, the 9 would also be natural.
In reply to I might agree "13" implies by dfrankow
I notate the natural 9. A "13" chord to me implies a 1/2-whole diminished.