Offset functions
Hi everyone,
I use the Horizontal and Vertical offset functions (in the Inspector) a lot. I would like to have one of two things:
Add large arrow icons along the top Toolbar
- or -
Create a shortcut key for all four
My preference is the second option. The little arrows work but are very small and hard to hover over. How easy or hard is this to add? As mentioned, I really use these functions a lot.
Thanks.....Lee
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Could you explain why you are using this feature a lot? Which element in particular do you move?
In reply to Could you explain why you are by [DELETED] 5
I use the offset functions mainly for moving chords within bars, and repositioning rehearsal marks and text boxes. A template works but only to a certain point. Customizing the final product requires that I select a bunch of chords, and then use the offset arrows, which I find tedious and too small. They remind me of the small arrows used in the Microsoft Office groups. I wish they would expand them right across the bottom of the button...but I digress :).
I know the musical protocol is to fill the measures with slashes, and then place the chords over the measures, aligned with the slashes. I place my chords inside the measures so that my scores can reside on a single page. For longer scores, placing chords on top makes a single page score cluttered and almost unreadable.
In my case, I virtually never use the notation feature in Musescore. I only create chord charts. I built a template that provides a different default offset. For example, the offsets are so that single chords placed inside a measure (instead of on top) reside with a decent space between the left measure line and the chord. In general, that works well but it's not a practical solution for me. So, I build my chord charts with a very basic template, and then fine tune the score how I'd like it to appear.
Musescore is king when it comes to my needs. It's the only software on the planet that does what I need. I love it!
Are you familiar with Edit Mode ? Once you enter Edit Mode (easiest way: double-click the element), you can move virtually any element around using just the arrow keys or Ctrl and the arrow keys.
lasconic's post raises a good point, though; if many users find themselves needing to move the same objects manually every time, the program should be enhanced to arrange things reasonably automatically.
~Happy trails, Flyingninja77
EDIT: In response to your post, I realize this method doesn't work so well for objects with text, as their Edit Mode is slightly different.
In reply to Are you familiar with Edit by Flyingninja77
Thanks for chiming in, Fly.
Edit mode doesn't work on multiple elements at once. Or does it? When I have single chords in several bars, I like to select all the chords and nudge them to the middle of a bar. I know that's not how it's done in musical scores but it matches my hand written scores of the past twenty years. The little arrows allow me to nudge all single chords at once. Problem is, the little arrows are not only counter-intuitive (work in the opposite direction) but they are well......too small. A shortcut key would be wonderful.
I'm not one to complain about outstanding software like Musescore that is offered up for free, but batch functions would be so nice to have :).
EDIT: I could build a template the places all chords in the middle of the bars by default, but that theory falls apart when I need two chords in a bar. I would still need the offset function. It's easier to use the original Musescore architecture, and then nudge things as needed, with shortcut keys.
In reply to Are you familiar with Edit by Flyingninja77
Perhaps it would help if I posted a typical score. It is attached. I know that a seasoned musician would say, "What the heck is he thinking??!!"
Oddly enough, I work with two studio players, and they find my charts very nice to work with :). All the same, I know the charts are completely against conservatory theory, but whatever greases your wheels, right :). For me, that's where Musescore's lack of restrictions makes the program really shine. No other program provides these advantages.
In reply to Perhaps it would help if I by Lee Batchelor
Are you aware that you can select the text of the offset "spinbox" and press Arrow up and Arrow down on your keyboard? Or that you can use the mouse wheel?
In reply to Are you aware that you can by [DELETED] 5
Oh.....now that's handy. I never knew that. Let me give at whirl. Thanks Iasconic!
In reply to Are you aware that you can by [DELETED] 5
OK, that works. First you must set the focus on the arrow you want, and then move objects with the arrows on the keyboard. It would nice to just press the arrow keys because you still need to "hunt" the little microscopic arrows.
Now I'm just being a pain in the neck :)! It's a better way, for sure.
In reply to OK, that works. First you by Lee Batchelor
You don't need to click the arrow normally. Just click on the number and use arrow up/down on your keyboard. It works on my Mac here, but it should work on Windows too.
In reply to You don't need to click the by [DELETED] 5
I can confirm that works on Windows 7; and with the mousewheel no click is even needed: just just hover and spin. Quite cool, I must say.
In reply to I can confirm that works on by Recorder485
Okay, I see now. Yes, if I select five chords and hover my mouse anywhere over the Horizontal arrows, the mouse wheel moves the chords left or right. That is great because now I can hover the mouse inside the left and right arrow box, which is about three times the size of homing in on one arrow!
NEXT: would it ever be nice to lasso several chords at once, just like selecting several objects in MS Word. As it stands, you must hold the control key down, and then click inside each chord at just the right spot. if you miss the "sweet spot" on just one chord, the Inspector becomes unavailable. You must start again. Is there an easier way to select several chords at a time? (There's no pleasing some guys, right? :)
Thanks for the great tips, guys!!
In reply to Okay, I see now. Yes, if I by Lee Batchelor
Other than making a list selection using CTL+Click (admittedly a PITA), you can select all the chord symbols on a single system by right-clicking one, and then using the context menu to navigate to the Select>More... dialogue. I know this isn't precisely what you want, but if you break your chart temporarily into systems containing only those groups you want to move, it might save you some time.
In reply to Okay, I see now. Yes, if I by Lee Batchelor
I gather you are talking about *chord symbols*, not the actual notes? Easier way: select the region you are interested in, right click one chord symbol, "Select / All Similar Elements in Range Selection". But FWIW, lassoing *does* work, if you have a clear shot. You just need to hold Shift while dragging to enable the lasso.
In reply to I gather you are talking by Marc Sabatella
Hi Marc,
Yes - just the chord symbols. I tried right clicking a selected chord. No matter which option I chose, every chord was selected. So for some reason, that doesn't work.
I can't get the lasso to work the way you describe either. I re-attached my earlier score, this time with bar numbers. What is the easiest way to select the chords in bars 10, 11, 14, 15, and 17? As you can see, they are all single bar chords. I have fixed that score already, but suppose I want to shift all those chords over at once? So far, I need to use Ctrl+click on each one, which is often hit and miss. As soon as you miss, you must start all over again. The hover and mouse roll solution from the earlier posts works great. I'd prefer a shortcut key, but I can love with the mouse roll.
Thanks...
In reply to Hi Marc, Yes - just the chord by Lee Batchelor
Again, *first* select the range - a regular range selection if measures, with blue rectangle etc Then the Select / All Similar Elements in Range Selection. It really.does work, I do it all the time.
What goes wrong when you try the lasso? Lime I said, you need a clear shot (so other elements don't get included in the lasso area). The chords you mention can't be contained in a simple rectangle without hitting other things, so lasso won't help there. But you can certainly lesson 10-11, move them, etc.
In reply to Again, *first* select the by Marc Sabatella
To be clear: Shift+Drag.
In reply to I gather you are talking by Marc Sabatella
Oooops! I looked right at that easy solution and picked a more complicated one. My brain must have left on holiday a few hours before the rest of me.... ;o)
In reply to Perhaps it would help if I by Lee Batchelor
Instead of tediously selecting chords and moving them with the Inspector, it's much easier to just set the default you want in the first place. Style / General / Chord Symbols, then set the vertical position to whatever works for you.
In reply to Instead of tediously by Marc Sabatella
Agreed, Marc, however the default position only works for a measure that has one chord or two, but not both. I guess my issue is, when there is only one chord, I want it centered, which is way outside the norm.
Musescore functionality is based on conservatory rules, as it should be. If I can't have what I want, it's no problem. I can still move chords in a relatively easy fashion. I'm still tickled pink that this program exists!
In reply to Agreed, Marc, however the by Lee Batchelor
Ok, I was thinking about the vertical position, which applies to all.
If you want single chords placed other than the beginning of the measure, why not just enter them that way? Eg, enter on beat 3.
In reply to Ok, I was thinking about the by Marc Sabatella
That works Marc, providing I assign all the bars a slash bars. Again, it's not a deal breaker if I can't use the empty bars with whole rests for centering chords. The advantage of empty bars with whole rests is they take less space; although I know you can compress slash bars after they're filled.
No big deal. Thanks to all for your great ideas.....Musescore rocks!!!
- Lee
In reply to That works Marc, providing I by Lee Batchelor
You can have a chord symbol on beat 3 even if there is no note or rest
In reply to You can have a chord symbol by Jojo-Schmitz
Right you are, Jojo. You just press the space bar to get you over there. Thanks.