Just Intonation problem
You used the latest "Scales" plugin?
Yes
Which temperament did you apply?
I used the 35 Keys temperament
What version of MuseScore are you using?
Version 1.1 (Recent one)
Can you attach a score to this thread (that you have tried to add a temperament tuning to)?
Well, I was going to create a Just Intonation version of my work, Bassoon. But no I cannot attach that score for I didn't upload it to the Musescore.com website.
Comments
You can attach scores directly to posts here - see the "File attachments" link just below where you type your message.
In reply to You can attach scores by Marc Sabatella
Here it is...
In reply to Here it is... by ARobinsonization
I noticed you didn't answer one of the questions: "Please describe the step-by-step actions for others to reproduce the problem." Without this it difficult to know what steps might be missing, but here's my random guess: I suspect that you clicked "Done" instead of "Apply selected temperament to the score". If my guess is correct let me know, otherwise please describe the step-by-step actions for others to reproduce the problem.
(Also for my own reference, here's the original thread: http://musescore.org/en/node/13136 )
In reply to I noticed you didn't answer by David Bolton
Actually I did. I did in fact clicked "Apply selected temperament to the score"... and it didn't work
In reply to Actually I did. I did in fact by ARobinsonization
Again, it was a random guess since I am not able to watch what you are doing, and you have yet to describe what you are doing step-by-step.
Maybe you would prefer to make a screen cast than list the steps?
In reply to Again, it was a random guess by David Bolton
Here is my step-by-step answers of what was I doing:
1. Went to download "Just Intonation"
2. Extracted the JI files
3. Copied it into my musescore plugins
4. Went to Temperament tuning plugin on musescore
5. Applied "Pythagorean tuning" as temperament into my score
6. When I entered the notes, it didn't sound the way I wanted to
7. Went to Temperament Tuning plugin again
8. It restarted to "Equal Temperament" tuning
Does that answer your question? May not have been a screen cast, but maybe we can now find the answer to this dilemma.
In reply to Here is my step-by-step by ARobinsonization
The plugin only affects existing notes, so you need to run the temperament tuning plugin after you have entered all the notes. Reselect Pythagorean tuning, and click "Apply selected..."
If you want to visually check that it worked right click on a note and choose Note Properties. After a temperament is applied the Tuning Offset should be something other than "0.00 cent" for most notes.
In reply to The plugin only affects by David Bolton
And where would the tuning offset be?
In reply to And where would the tuning by ARobinsonization
Right click on a note -> note properties
In reply to Right click on a note -> note by [DELETED] 5
Thank you for that.
In reply to Thank you for that. by ARobinsonization
I have been playing with the demo (Moussorgsky) score on 1.1 and applying pythagorean. The note offset is clear, but the chords sound the same (at least to my novice's ear). I went trawling the web for resources and found I could hear the difference between pythagorean and equal temperament there. So I exported two midi files (one pythagorean and one equal) and played them both at the same time on quicktime (changing the prefs so both would sound. They sounded to be in perfect unison to me.
Then I created some nonsense scales and followed the same procedure. Again, the offset was there on the display, but the files sound the same
In reply to similar problem by nikow
That is because tuning information is transmitted as a MIDI Tuning Standard Bulk Dump.
It is not normally stored in the SMF (Standard MIDI File)
The reason for this is that the instrument may not support MTS messages - I think that is unlikely in terms of most computer softsynths most of which barely support GM.
Also, the frequency data is sent as a System Exclusive Bulk Dump, which requires a manufacturer recognition byte in its header. It would be impossible to know which manufacturer byte to put in the header as the system the SMF would be played back on would be unknown.
Really MIDI is not suitable for what you are trying to do - it's a stream of performance data, to a previously setup MIDI instrument - if you want different tunings they have to be done at instrument level - not at SMF level.
Have you tried exporting as WAV or OGG? These are both audio formats which will contain any changes in tuning you have made.
HTH
Michael
In reply to That is because tuning by ChurchOrganist
I tried .wav and all works as I would have expected. Thank you very much.
Nick
In reply to That is because tuning by ChurchOrganist
Source: //xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/DAWs
xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/DAWs
Plugins which are microtuned via MTS (MIDI Tuning Standard).
Some plugins can accept MIDI data in the form of SysEx messages. These messages contain the tuning data. The issue with this method, is that many DAWs filter out SysEx messages. However some plugins, such as those created by Xen- Arts, allow the user to load a MIDI file (containing he SysEx messages within) directly into the plugin, thus bypassing the restriction from the DAW. Such MIDI files can be generated by Scala).
One benefit of using MTS is that tunings can be changed during the course of a piece. This gives much flexibility in tuning for the composer. MIDI Tuning is also highly accurate.
Furthermore, he user can send one set of MTS messages to several plugins/hardware synthesizers at once, thereby making the tuning process relatively convenient. However since any DAWs filter out these messages, the real benefit of MTS can not be realized by everybody.
In reply to That is because tuning by ChurchOrganist
You can create your own historically authentic videoscores (e.g. using Bach/Lehman "Well-Tempered Clavier" Temperament) using Pianoteq (i.e. software-modelled piano). Find the portable version below) and loading a .scl (scala file) i.e. a file that contains the intervallic cent values from the first note of the scale. The .scl file containing the 12-note equal Temperament chromatic scale would look something like this: (This .scl file is JUST a plain text file with .scl extension)
! Equal Temperament.scl
!
Equal Temperament
12
!
100.0
200.0
300.0
400.0
500.0
600.0
700.0
800.0
900.0
1000.0
1100.0
2/1
so this means: 100 cents (i.e. one E.Tempered semitone) for the second note counting from the first note of the scale or tonic, 200 cents for the third note -counting from the first note, 300 cents for the fourth note -counting from the first note, etc.
The FINALLY CORRECTED Bach/Lehman WTC temperament scl file is this (It contains the interval values in cents for the second to the upper octave, in the same fashion as the Equal temperament example bove) I have worked it out reading a lot from Lehamn. More on that later).
! Lehman 1722-Bach.scl
!
Bach/Lehman 1722, WTC temperament after Bach's signet
12
!
98.04499
196.09000
298.04500
392.18000
501.95500
596.09000
698.04500
798.13500
894.13500
998.04500
1094.13500
2/1
Download Pianoteq:
https://www.pianoteq.com/try
Download Pianoteq (Portable version): for when you're "out and about"
http://www.mediafire.com/download/h966xvua5186m8i/Pianoteq+Trial+version...
What is Scala (software programme)
http://www.huygens-fokker.org/scala/scl_format.html
Melodyne (Portable version):
Load a wav 16 bit WAV file and change the pitch of individual notes, change the tuning system to a different temperament, then save it as a midi:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/9qedoomo92pjo1i/Melodyne_Editor.exe
You can choose from over 4000 scales including many historical temperaments just:
1) Download this zip file
http://www.huygens-fokker.org/docs/scales.zip
2) and uncompress it.
3) Open Pianoteq and Click on the Tuning panel, click on "equal" under scale and select "load form computer" to load the scale (.scl file)
See the pictures to clarify these instructions:
Select Pianoteq and click trial
Close Welcome window.
click on Tuning panel on the left
It will open this options. - Select Tuning click on default
![PianoteqSelectScale.jpg]( "PianoteqSelectScale.jpg")
Here is a short description of these 4000+ scales
http://www.huygens-fokker.org/docs/scalesdir.txt