Bug Report: Extraneous rests display in final measure
Musescore 1.2 and nightly revision 2012-07-03-d697e22
OS: Windows 7
I have attached a Musescore file that has some display problems at the final measure. I have 8 instruments. Instrument 6 and 7 show an extra measure in Version 1.2. In the current nightly build, I see the same thing plus some extraneous end barlines. If I try to manually remove those, I crash the nightly build.
This file was created in 1.2.
My primary application for Musescore is to enter hymns for playback at my church, since we are lacking an organist. I've come across an interesting situation for one hymn (in this case, Amazing Grace).
What is likely unique in my case is that I add some additional rests to put in some breathing pauses in certain measures at the end of a phrase. So, for this example, the normal beat is 3/4, but I have a fermata, so during playback I wanted to hold that note 3 additional beats to simulate the fermata, followed by a 16th rest. So I changed the measure duration to 25/16 and insert an extra 16th rest after beat 5.
Also at the final measure of each verse, I want to add an additional 8th note rest to provide a breathing pause before the next verse, plus hold the final note 3 beats. So I change the duration of that measure to 13/8.
Because I change the instrumentation for each new verse, I am not using repeats, but I block copy/pasted the verse over and over into a new section.
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Comments
Very strange!
And so sad that you have no organist :(
Maybe you could learn to play? If you have basic keyboard skills it ain't that hard.
Deleting the whole bar for the alto and tenor in the affected bars and renetering the notes clears the problem.
But why it happened in the first place?????
HTH
Michael
In reply to Very strange! And so sad that by ChurchOrganist
I know that copy and paste of bars with odd time signatures has been a source of problems in the past, and while I think the "known" cases were fixed for 1.2, I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't corner cases that slipped through the cracks.
FWIW, if it were me, and I were needing to do this sort of thing on any sort of regular basis, I'd probably notate everything in normal time signatures (no trickery to simulate fermatas), then export to MIDI, then import in a MIDI editor / sequencer to tweak the playback. Or else try to get the desired playback effect through the use of tempo texts and occasional ontime/off time offsets in Note Proerties, rather than adding extra beats and partial beats.
In reply to I know that copy and paste of by Marc Sabatella
>> if it were me, and I were needing to do this sort of thing on any sort of regular basis
>> export to MIDI, then import in a MIDI editor / sequencer to tweak the playback.
And then have it play back through Musescore?
>> Or else try to get the desired playback effect through the use of tempo texts and occasional ontime/off time offsets in Note Proerties, rather than adding extra beats and partial beats.
I'll probably give that a try, but I have been thinking that if someone inherits this all from me some day (I inherited it from someone else), then my edits are right in their face. If I use note properties, it seems to me the ontime/offtime changes are hidden away in an obscure feature.
But that does make the score much easier to edit, since there aren't a bunch of oddball actual measures. And I notice that when you copy/paste you don't get the opportunity to have the durations in the altered measures paste change the new measures, which can be annoying (although I can think of several reasons why that would not ordinarily be desirable).
In reply to Marc's comments by jim.weisgram
I wasn't think about re-importing to MuseScore for playback, no. Why would you do that? i was suggesting using MuseScore to get the notation right and using a dedicate MIDI program for tweaking and playback.
In reply to I wasn't think about by Marc Sabatella
I was just wondering what you meant. I'd rather have a sheet music view for playback; sometimes I have to be able to adapt to things on the fly and seeing the music notation is helpful.
What dedicated MIDI programs could you suggest that sound as good or better than what Musescore does with the software synthesizer? The el cheapo MIDI programs I've tried all use the soundcard for playback and they don't sound good at all.
In reply to I was just wondering what you by jim.weisgram
OK, I figured play back literally meant just play back, not playback and synchronized display at the same time. After all, most people would just use recordings for this, and not even have the option of synchronized sheet music display.
Anyhow, all programs that make sound use your soundcard for the actual playback. The only difference is what sort of samples (recordings of real instruments) are used to create those sounds. MuseScore uses by default a fairly rudimentary sample library called TimGM6mb that is roughly equivalent in quality to the one that probably shipped with your OS, but it can be replaced with other ones as described in SoundFont . But other MIDI players can also be made to use those same SoundFont files. I have used VLC for this purposes and set it to use the same SoundFont I like to use in MuseScore: FluidR3_GM. I'm there are plenty of other MIDI programs that can use these same SoundFonts, and I know there are other MIDI players that use sample libraries in other formats for which even higher quality sounds are available.
In reply to OK, I figured play back by Marc Sabatella
I haven't seen those MIDI players so I've been unaware but I should have realized.
I do use several different SoundFonts depending on the instrumentation including Fluid. But generally I use the Merlin Vienna soundfont.
In reply to Very strange! And so sad that by ChurchOrganist
>> If you have basic keyboard skills it ain't that hard.
Well, I'd have to get those first.
>> Deleting the whole bar for the alto and tenor in the affected bars and renetering the notes clears the problem.
Not on my system. Neither in 1.2 or in the nightly build. But there is some kind of file anomaly I think because when I try to edit that measure in the nightly build, sooner or later I will crash the software.