Forum organization suggestion
When I first saw the "Help and Bug Reports" forum I thought "What a great idea, combining the two!". Now I've changed my mind, and would prefer to see them be separate forums.
The reason I liked the idea was that either a reported problem is indeed a bug, or it is a user issue that is resolvable. It removed the necessity to disambiguate between these two possibilities in advance of posting.
Now I no longer like the idea, because it seems to me that it leads to every bug reported being somehow reframed as a call for help, and not taken as a reported issue, as the poster intended. Telling the poster "you can solve the problem this or that way" is good, as long as there is an acknowledgement that something IS wrong, or the poster would not be needing help in the first place. But presently I don't feel that there is such a recognition. Help is abundant, yes, and I do appreciate it; but help can be excessive if it comes at the price of genuine issues being dismissed as "having been solved". It is definitely bluntly excessive when the poster is clearly reporting a bug and not asking for help.
An issue is not solved until it is solved at the code level, or at the data file level, or at the interface level. Helping a user resolve an immediate problem should not be confused with resolution.
(Furthermore, saying to someone who is getting frustrated, "you are getting this for free, so pipe down, boy", however politely, is NOT kosher; it violates the open source spirit. I have done, and continue to do, a lot of things for free, so I will not accept second class citizenship on the basis of not (yet) being a paying customer.)
All this may just be my perception; but perceptions are important; and me being Mr Average, chances are many other people end up feeling the same way, and after trying to report bugs a dozen times and ONLY getting "help" as a result, they probably just give up and leave this forum for good.
Admittedly, though, this is a lot my own fault, for not reading the manual. At least officially this is blame-worthy; but then again, the era of reading manuals is long past. Nobody has the time, anymore, --and I will probably never read it. It's not a decision; it is a forecast made from statistical observation: Last time I read an application's manual must have been back in the 90's. But so, even when a bug report is a "user error", then it is still a bug report, just of a different kind: It is a bug report about lack of clarity in the user interface; lack of proper popup mouse-over help, too many entries under a given heading or menu, etceteras. The new standard for software is that it should be easy to find/discover things.
But I'm getting off a tangent. I think the point is made, though. There's a problem with bug reporting and help getting mixed up in a less than fully healthy way; or there is at least the problem of it being perceivable to be so.
Now, please refrain from helping me on this one...
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The reason for having them in a single forum is that in fact many (beginning) users think they have found a bug, while it turns out to being a wrong setting, an unimplemented feature, not reading the manual about just as much of the time as it turns out to be an actual (sometimes already known) bug.
If something turns out to be an actual (unknown) bug, it is entered into the issue tracker so developers can have a look at. Having this forum lessens the burden on developers having to close off reported issues as duplicates or help requests or misunderstandings, leaving them with more time to actually work on improving the program.
Similarly, feature requests often benefit from being posted into the forum first as well. Either because the poster didn't realize the desired feature already exists OR because often feature requests stem from a single use case and have to be weighed against most other use cases.
Only when some consensus has been reached, the request is written down into the issue tracker.
Posting into the forum has a way higher exposure rate.
Yes, providing workarounds is not the same as solving an issue. Then again, I don't think I've seen many posts with genuine issues not being moved into the issue tracker over the past year(s).
In reply to The reason for having them… by jeetee
Actually, I hear the words "issue tracker" and I feel a lot better; I was getting the wrong impression there was no such thing here. Okay, never mind and sorry for the frustrated ranting.
In reply to Actually, I hear the words … by danw58
See the menu bar Activity → Issue Tracker takes you to https://musescore.org/en/project/issues/musescore
With respect, ..... " but then again, the era of reading manuals is long past. Nobody has the time, anymore, --and I will probably never read it. It's not a decision; it is a forecast made from statistical observation" is just not true. Nobody?
Just because you don't read manuals is a very small sample to make such a generalized conclusion.
I, and many others that I know at least skim through the manuals.