How do you add the release symbol for sustain pedal line?
If i had a piece where the sustain pedal line at the bottom continued through the measures but there were points where you lift the sustain pedal, how would I add these markings? (The small up-carrots at the beginning of each measure, I'm not sure what they're called).
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From Lines palette (then double click and drag)
In reply to From Lines palette (then… by Shoichi
Actually, no manual adjustments should be needed at all. If you apply the lines to the notes properly, the angle brackets line up perfectly.
In reply to Actually, no manual… by Marc Sabatella
What would be the proper way to apply the line to the notes, and which line should I use? I am new to this program so I apologize if this is a basic question.
Edit: I figured out how to properly input the sustain lines with the slanted edges to connect properly, but is there any way to begin the sustained section with the "ped___" line and connect it to the "_________/" line?
In reply to What would be the proper way… by Chet355
Click on the "ped___" line, then in the Inspector you can change the end hook to 45°. Look in the 'Text Line Details' area of the Inspector.
In reply to Click on the "ped___" line,… by Jm6stringer
Thanks, that's it!
In reply to Actually, no manual… by Marc Sabatella
Revisiting this conversation in search of an answer... and have a follow-up: the default position for the lines indicates direct pedalling. I've had a number of scores with sustained / indirect / syncopated pedaling lines, and my solution has always been to adjust those manually, but then I wondered: is there a way to have an automatic "delayed" (sustained / syncopated) arrangement of lines? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
In reply to Revisiting this conversation… by bywolfson
It's not really clear what you mean, but if you attach both your score itself and a picture of what you want it to look like instead, we can probably help.
In reply to It's not really clear what… by Marc Sabatella
Thanks very much. I'm attaching three PNG files.
![Pedal 1 Score.png]( "Pedal 1 Score.png")
![Pedal 2 Default.png]()
![Pedal 3 Adjusted.png]()
Here is the original manuscript:
Here is how MuseScore sets the pedal lines by default:
As you see, the score has non-direct / suspended pedal throughout (to be as clear as I can be: the pedal must be released and depressed again without releasing the piano key; to indicate this, the line extends just a bit past the stem of the note, and the new line begins a few millimeters to the right).
Here is what the typeset score looks like after I manually dragged the edges of lines so that they match the positioning in the manuscript.
What I'm wondering is whether it's possible to adjust globally (for the whole file) the setting for anchor points so that the pedal lines by default extend to the next note and a tiny bit past it, and begin after the note. Thanks again!
In reply to Thanks very much. I'm… by bywolfson
I guess I'm still not understanding how what you describe is different from regular pedaling - sounds like exactly what the angle bracket notation is normally used for. Neither your description nor your notation makes this clear to me.
But anyhow, no, there is no setting to make lines default to nonstandard lengths, although you can control the start point in Format / Style / Pedal. For the length, double-click followed by Ctrl+right seems like it would do the job quickly enough.
In reply to I guess I'm still not… by Marc Sabatella
OK, thanks, good to know — I'll try fiddling with the starting point at least. (Double-clicking and adjusting is what I've been doing; I was just hoping to avoid doing it every time since there are hundreds of these line in a single score, and the difference for a performer is significant and clear — the default setting presumes the the foot is off the pedal before the next note is played, and then depressed again simultaneously with the next note, which is not what the score asks for.) Thanks again.
In reply to OK, thanks, good to know — I… by bywolfson
I wanted to make sure you were aware of the Ctrl+arrow, it's better than dragging at least.
But - and sorry if this seems presumptuous - I do wonder if you are a pianist, because it still seems to me you might be misunderstanding how standard pedal markings work. The usual marking for what you are describing is the angle bracket:
Any pianist should understand this as exactly what I think you are describing: hold the pedal until playing the note, then quickly release and re-press the pedal. there is no need to invent your own symbol for this when the standard one does the same, is universally understood, and requires no manual adjustment. Just use the pedal marking with the angled hook (or change the existing hooks to angled using the Inspector). What you are doing here is as far as I can tell inventing a new notation for something that has a standard one.
In reply to I wanted to make sure you… by Marc Sabatella
Your message made me realize that I should have started with one background fact that I omitted. For reasons outside my control, the score must stick to the notation system used by the composer in the manuscript. So I'm not inventing a new notation, I'm trying to reproduce what the composer did, for reasons only clear to him, many years ago. (Maybe when he was trained, which would have been in the 1930s-40s, angled brackets were not as universally used?) That's what occasioned this series of questions to begin with; if I could use the angled-hook pedal markings, life would be a lot easier. I do play the piano, so when this project began I asked about this and was told to stick to the original notation. And I do use the Ctrl (or Command; I'm working on a Mac) plus arrow, thanks! Sorry that I didn't explain from the beginning that I was trying to copy exactly what the manuscript says. Thanks for all your help.
In reply to From Lines palette (then… by Shoichi
How would I go about insert these if you were to begin the sustained section with the "ped____" line?
In reply to How would I go about insert… by Chet355
Read how to apply (all kinds of) lines here:
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/lines#range-of-notes
Here's a simple example (open in MuseScore):
Pedal_lines.mscz
I'm seeing the replies, and my question is: Is there a way to do this that doesn't look ugly and amateurish? And isn't awfully time consuming? And god forbid I can be allowed to place the pedal markings in the top staff first to match it to the accents and then copy & paste it to the bottom staff after. What's the challenge in that, eh?
In reply to I'm seeing the replies, and… by Arpicembalo
Can you explain what you find ugly or amateurish or time-consuiming about https://musescore.org/en/node/291330#comment-938952? This is dead simple to do, and it's the standard way piano music is published these days. Or if you prefer the older style prevalent more in the 19th century (with the "Ped" and "*" markings), simply add those instead - nothing ugly or amateurish there either.
However, it is indeed true that pedal markngs can only conveniently be added based on the bottom staff - an unfortunate limitation that we hope to remove someday. meanwhile, there are a number of workarounds, including the use of invisible rests on the bottom staff.
In reply to Can you explain what you… by Marc Sabatella
I mean that the carets created by placing hooked lines never line up properly. It should instead be possible to have one continuous line and add carets on specific beats, rather than wasting time adding multiple hooked pedal lines and trying to make them look proper.
In reply to I mean that the carats… by Arpicembalo
They should line precisely if you add them the way I described. if you have a score that is showing a discrepancy, please attach it so we can understand and assist better.