Add another string to my instrument or make a new one with 7 strings like bağlama (Turkish folkloric instrument)
Hi all,
I have an intrument named bağlama. It has 7 strings. But I can't find an intrument has 7 strings in musescore. Can I make a new instrument has 7 strings from the beginning. Or add one to a 6-string instrument. Thank you.
Note pls: This is my first post. Sorry for everything.
Comments
You could maybe use a Lute, there is one with 7 courses available in MuseScore
Hmm, isn't it more 7 strings, but 3 courses?
In reply to You could maybe use a Lute,… by Jojo-Schmitz
Yes. 7 strings in 3 groups.
From bottom to top;
1.coure is A
2.course is D
3.course is G
And I coulnd't find Lute instrument in musescore.
In reply to Yes. 7 strings in 3 groups… by Hamit70
Type lute into the search field at the bottom of that dialog
In reply to Type lute intone search… by Jojo-Schmitz
OK. Found it. Thank you. I will try.
In reply to OK. Found it. Thank you. I… by Hamit70
Take a 'normal' Lute and in its string data take away one string/course and adjust the tuning for the others, also the number of frets
In reply to Take a 'normal' Lute and in… by Jojo-Schmitz
There are 23 frets. I made it 23. OK.
But How can I group them and at this screenshot is the first note is top or bottom note.
And I checked lute (Turkish name lavta) 7 strings but 4 or 5 courses. I have 3 courses.
How can I group them?
In reply to There are 23 frets. I made… by Hamit70
3 courses -> 3 strings, so remove some
In reply to 3 courses -> 3 strings. by Jojo-Schmitz
But the strings inthe same group are not equale thickness. I have tried to explane this at the bottom, to another friend.
Changed the picture.
In reply to But the strings inthe same… by Hamit70
They are not plucked independently though. Tuning would be that of the thicker strings.
In reply to They are not plucked… by Jojo-Schmitz
You are right.
In reply to They are not plucked… by Jojo-Schmitz
So how?
In reply to So how? by Hamit70
Voice 2, invisible, for the different pitch?
Basically you play chords (I think), you can make invisible notes not to show.
In reply to Voice 2, invisible, for the… by Shoichi
And would you give the same advice for a 12-string guitar, or for a baroque lute with 13 courses of strings (and 21 different strings - and different pitches)?
Or for the multiple instruments with re-entrant tunings?
In reply to . by cadiz1
Forgive me.
In reply to Forgive me. by Shoichi
Don't worry, I'm not throwing the stone, I had the same idea (question, rather) when I wanted to input scores for baroque guitar (so, re-entrant tuning instrument, and 5 courses). You have to admit that it's not possible, except to spend hours on it. It's better to spend them on your instrument and with the MuseScore score in front of you :)
Also it's possible to edit the string data of an instrument: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/tablature#edit-string-data
In reply to Also it's possible to edit… by kuwitt
Yes, looked at it. But can't succeed.
From bottom to top;
1.coure is A
2.course is D
3.course is G
How can I do this.
In reply to Yes, looked at it. But can't… by Hamit70
Because they are not single. /7 string in 3 groups and their thinneses are different. 0.20- 0.30-0.22 and 0.50-0.55 mm
So different.
In reply to Also it's possible to edit… by kuwitt
I tried to explane you with painting :-)
I changed the picture. Made a mistake.
In reply to I tried to explane you with… by Hamit70
Don't look further, it's impossible to get what you think. Nor for the countless instruments that work with courses and not with single strings. Consider that the baglama is an instrument with three rows (and a single pitch for each row) of strings, it's as simple as that.
EDIT: for example
- third course : D5 (or D4), your choice
- second course : A4
- first course : D5
And a template (with D4/A4/D5) and linked staves: baglama1.mscz
In reply to Don't look, it's impossible… by cadiz1
These are the frequencies of the strings In different chords.
![Ek Açıklama 2020-03-16 000638.jpg]( "Ek Açıklama 2020-03-16 000638.jpg")
Is the A course the highest sounding or lowest sounding course?
In notation, what pitch is the A string (the lowest sounding A of the A course)?
In reply to In notation, what pitch is… by Jm6stringer
Yes, there is a big mistake.
I will share a photo and explane on it. Soon.
In reply to In notation, what pitch is… by Jm6stringer
That's true. Sorry again.
![right.jpg]( "right.jpg")
In reply to That's true. Sorry again. by Hamit70
Your G - D - A notation is on treble clef? Here the D is pitched lower on the staff than the others.
![Tuning.png]( "Tuning.png")
Then, on the other side of the picture you show G2 - D3 - A2, Here, D3 is higher than the others:
Here's a file with G2 - D3 - A2 tuning showing TAB open strings: Bağlama_tuning.mscz
(You can mute the piano using the Mixer.)
In reply to Your G - D - A notation is… by Jm6stringer
If the Bağlama file above doesn't open because of the letter ğ in the file name, try this one:
Baglama_tuning.mscz
In reply to Your G - D - A notation is… by Jm6stringer
Thank you for your answer. Both mscz files open. No problem. Left side is correct.
We use at the left side clef. But the frequency of the string is equl to the right D3. How can I explain! Because of the string's thickness maybe. Sorry.
I found a photo. Shows where the notes are. And I couldn't understand why G (at up course) is at the bottom of the score. Normally it is on the second line of the score. As I said my english is not good, especially in music terms.
Edit: I found another photo shows the right place so changed the photo.
In reply to Thank you for your answer… by Hamit70
So maybe you need to octave transpose then. just like guitar
In reply to Thank you for your answer… by Hamit70
You wrote:
We use at the left side clef. But the frequency of the string is equl to the right D3.
OK...
Here's another TAB: Baglama_tuning2.mscz
Closer to what you want?
The pitch is 2 octaves lower than written. Look at the piano treble (bassa) clef.
In reply to Thank you for your answer… by Hamit70
OOPS!
I noticed that the D3 on the treble clef is placed lower than the G2, yet sounds higher.
Another TAB: Baglama_tuning3.mscz
In reply to OOPS! I noticed that the D3… by Jm6stringer
Just I was writing about this, you wrote first. Thank you.
I will try this tab. The sound's frequencies look like same with my baglama.
But there are 7 strings in 3 courses. So i can use just 3X1, I mean in each course there is only 1 string. So the sound will be different its orijinal one. I will prepare a video for you that shows you with how strings course sound.
In reply to OOPS! I noticed that the D3… by Jm6stringer
Hi again,
Can watch this video? He's tellings eveything about baglama and all the sounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRsSjh5TTqI
Thank you again.
In reply to OOPS! I noticed that the D3… by Jm6stringer
Perhaps tuning and instrument data should be as in the attached file.
I'm not sure exactly. Due to the combined strings it is used in pairs, such as 12-st guitar (octave [up or down]).
In reply to Perhaps tuning and… by Ziya Mete Demircan
I see. Only 3 strings, not 7 and not 3 courses.
Thank you.
In reply to I see. Only 3 strings, not 7… by Hamit70
Selam abi, oldu mu? Kendimde baglama icin nota yazmaya calisiyorum...