String numbers for classical guitar?
I'm running 0.9.3 under Ubuntu. In another post, someone hinted that string numbers (small number in a circle) would be under the Fingering palette, but I could not find the. Do they exist?
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Syastrov added string numbers a few weeks ago to the 0.9.4 prereleases. They are not available in the 0.9.3 release.
In reply to String numbers by David Bolton
Ok, thanks David.
In reply to Ok, thanks David. by mbratch
It is still possible to create them in 0.9.3, though, but you must do this manually. Here's how: create a regular fingering number. Double-click it. Hit F2 to bring up the text palette. In the frame tab, click Circle, then specify a width (0.2 is a good width). That should be about it. You could then duplicate them on the score, so you don't have to create another and format it again, by shift+dragging the circled text onto the note you want the duplicate to be attached to.
However, creating them is of course much easier in the prerelease, since you can just drag/drop them from the Fingering palette. Also note that in the prerelease, you can change the style of the string numbers in the Text Styles dialog (they are the last one in the list), for example to make the font bigger, or add more of a padding. This does not apply immediately due to a known bug, and you must reload the score to see the effects.
In reply to It is still possible to by syastrov
Thanks I'll give that a try.
I loaded the latest trunk using SVN, but found that I need a more up to date QT library to build. I didn't feel like chasing down a chain of upgrades so I thought I'd wait until this feature came out officially. But for now, your work-around works very well.
While on the topic... how can you draw a simple line, to show, for example, the same finger following the string to a different position, or showing how many notes will be done on a certain string number?
In reply to Thanks I'll give that a by mbratch
You can't just draw a line in the current version, as far as I know. If I understand you correctly, you want to do something like 1--------1 to show the index finger sliding. In other words, draw a line between two fingering instructions. I'm not sure in what situations outside glissandos/portamentos/your example that lines are used, but maybe something like a line connecting any two elements would be useful.
You can show the string number with a line after it like (2)-------| . To do this, you must use the text line object, which is in the Lines palette, it looks like VII-| by default, but you can change it. Drag it to the score, and then edit the text and add the circle border just like making regular string numbers. I'd love to add these string number lines to the palette somewhere, but it is already full of things and it would make it messier. I'm thinking a dedicated Guitar palette might be a good idea, to keep everything in one place.
In reply to You can't just draw a line in by syastrov
Sometimes a line is used in piano music to show that a voice continues on another staff.
In reply to You can't just draw a line in by syastrov
I like the idea of grouping the guitar stuff. Reduces the amount of "palette hopping". :)
In reply to You can't just draw a line in by syastrov
The drawback of a dedicated guitar palette is it makes the list of palettes even longer for everyone. (Not that I oppose the idea outright). I do not know much about classical guitar notation. What do other score writers do?
In reply to The drawback of a dedicated by David Bolton
That's a good point David. I guess there are pros and cons to the idea.
MuseScore is the first attempt I've had at using a PC-based scoring program for a few years, so I'm not up to date with what the other programs are doing recently. MuseScore is a lot easier in its current generation than the old program I was using (and had pretty much given up on).
In reply to You can't just draw a line in by syastrov
Here's an example of using lines. In some cases this implies glissando, but not always.
In this example, I believe a gliss is intended (it's a Tarréga piece :)). If the line, rather, connects the numbers, then it's more of a hint to the player (usually a beginner) that the finger "rides" the string in a change of position.
In reply to Here's an example of using by mbratch
In your example, it is possible to do that with the glissando item in the Arpeggio/Glissando palette. You just need to get rid of the gliss. text in the glissando's properties. What is not possible is precise positioning of the glissando line. This is surely something that can be added. However, this is not what you want for the example where the line connects two fingerings (it would be a workaround, but not correct :)). Also, glissando does not work properly with grace notes at the moment.
Thank you David for your comment about the line in piano music. I imagine there is something for that in the MusicXML specification (continuation of a voice on another stave), but I'm not sure about making a line connecting fingerings. I'd like for whatever line we implement in MuseScore to correspond with MusicXML so the export is correct, but if there is no MusicXML representation, I guess it can't hurt to have a generic line.
Some idea of how you might create your example in other notation software would be helpful here (the example of connecting fingerings with a line), if anyone knows.
In reply to In your example, it is by syastrov
Yeah, I tried that gliss line. It basically works OK, but it draws the line at an unintuitive angle at times. For example, if your starting note is a G and the destination note is an A, the gliss line will angle down slightly even though the note's going up. It looks a little odd.
In reply to In your example, it is by syastrov
Attached is a MusicXML export from Finale that includes lines. Look for the two pairs of bracket tags.
The two-measure excerpt is taken from the piano music I attached earlier in this thread.
In reply to lines in MusicXML by David Bolton
Now simple lines are implemented in r1215, including MusicXML import/export.
Your example should import okay. The problem that remains though is that the default distance between the staves must be smaller in MuseScore than Finale, and this makes the offsets incorrect. You will see it looks correct if you insert a vertical spacer and increase the distance.
Another problem is that horizontal offsets aren't applied. There's a comment in the code about introducing the concept of division-based offset to MuseScore (which is necessary for importing this), but I'm not sure what the plans for that are.
David, thanks for the example! I used it a lot in testing. It was simple, and the only one I tested on (I couldn't find any other examples), so if you find any other problems (I'm sure there are), let me know.
In reply to Lines now implemented by syastrov
The line implementation seems to work OK.
One anomaly I found, though: if I drag a basic line below the last staff, it crashes Musescore. The work around is to drag and place above the staff. Then click/drag it below where desired.
In reply to The line implementation seems by mbratch
This is fixed in r1252. Thanks.
In reply to lines in MusicXML by David Bolton
Thanks for implementing this.
Could we change the Context menu item from "Properties..." to "Line Properties..."? I think it is better to be specific since there are so many different objects with properties and it is easy to select the wrong one by accident.
In reply to String numbers by David Bolton
Hi, I have:
Onstabiele Pre-uitgave voor Versie: 0.9.6
Revisie: 2613
I cant find the circled numbers for strings on my Fingering palette. ti: the numbers 1-6 are there but there are no circles arount them.
Where am I wrong?
Thanks! oNNo
In reply to Hi, I have: Onstabiele by aeLiXihr
You are using an early beta version of the MuseScore 0.9.6.x series. See the download page of this website for instructions to upgrade to the latest stable version of MuseScore.
In reply to You are using an early beta by David Bolton
thank you David, I have 9.6.2 now and the string numbers are there :)