MuseScore 4.2 — First impressions and feedback

• Dec 19, 2023 - 02:39

Each of my forays into MuseScore 4 proves sufficiently jarring that I conclude I can't work with it ... except to investigate and occasionally test its many wonderful features. Playback, UI and regressions are the main foils. The UI is more organized but simultaneously more cumbersome, so I often have to dig for essential properties that were always visible in 3.6's Inspector, resulting in more clicks and wasted time. The experience leaves me short on compliments (which are so very well deserved in many areas) and long on reporting issues. So here goes:

Download

    As reported here Muse Guitars was extrememly slow to download. It took 3.5 hours.
    The total Muse Guitars Vol. 1 folder is 989.4 MB
        The single Acoustic Nylon.sts soundfont is just 112.8MB, as shown in the attached image.
        Other "acoustic" sts weigh in similarly
        The "electric" sts files may be about the same weight, but go as high as 400MB
    MacOS 13.5.2. Macbook Air M2, 24GB, 2TB SSD

Muse Guitars playback issues

    • Overall MuseGuitars (particularly Nylon) are pretty satisfying. And it's great to have muted notes now.
      Muse Guitars examples here but ...
    • There are issues with muted notes in Muse Guitars
    •  Muse Guitars>Acoustic Nylon volume is surprisingly soft
    •  Muse Guitars>Acoustic Nylon playback is very uneven volume on scores created before MuseScore 4.2
    •  Overall tone characteristics are improved ... but rather twangy on steel strings
       and Nylon can sway toward an unrealistic tone of hollow plastic tubes.
    • When I click a muted note (one with an x notehead) I hear the normal sound, not the sound that occurs in playback.

General playback issues

    • MuseScore 4.2 doesn’t “read” Len field values from MS 3.6 files.
      This means that any work done altering playback durations in 3.6's Piano Roll Editor are lost.

    • Neither Let Ring or nor Pedal impact playback of guitar standard notation or tablature.
      I tried switching sounds via the mixer and that made no difference.

    • We can set velocity values, note by note, but those velocities make no difference with Muse Sounds and Muse Guitars Vol. 1.
      See the last line of this score
      Note that velocities do work with MuseScore 4.2 when using the basic built-in soundFonts
      or VST instruments like those from Native Instruments or PianoTeq,

    • Let Ring symbol doesn’t display on both staves in a treble clef with linked tablature system.
       In contrast, a pedal symbol shows on both staves, as expected.

    • There’s still an unacceptably long delay between clicking a note and hearing its pitch.

    • Volume of clicked note differs from when the note sounds during playback
      I can see that that could be useful, but I find it pretty disturbing in my workflow.

    • Playback cursor is out of alignment with notation.
      Cursor precedes playback by about once eighth note in an example score.
      Didn’t check, but the extent of poor alignment may vary with tempo.

    • Clicking on a “range selection” fails to reset the playback point to the beginning of the range selection.
      This is a regression from MS 3.6

Tablature issues

    UPDATE: I mistakenly wrote: • There’s no longer a Guitar + Tablature template in File>New.
     Apologies: I looked under the Instruments tab rather that the Templates tab.
    **Subsequent UPDATE: More than half the timeMuseScore 4.2 crashes on Quit or pressing the window's close button

    • Create Linked Staff is still burried in Instrument>Settings
    Recommendation here.

    Someday I'd sure like to see a wizard or dialog that presents all guitar related settings.

Odd annoyances

     • I can’t paste text into File>Save file name. I often want to use a score's Title text as the file name ... and copy/paste is the simplest way to do so.

Stability

    • MuseScore 4.2 crashes every time I quit via File>Quit or by closing window via the OS Close Window button in the upper left.
      UPDATE: On day 1 MuseScore abended every time I quit. But today, day 2, it hasn't crashed once on Quit.


Comments

Download
6 minutes for me.
Muse guitar playback issues
Agreed. there are some uneven issues. But just like any font, you you can't write whatever you want and
expect it to sound like you imagined. There are some very good EQ and reverb effects available in the hub. If
you think that the commercial guitar recordings you hear don't use them.....think again.
Playback issues
Velocity settings have never worked in MU4
Almost no delay on my system. Less powerful than yours.
Pre bend doesn't work either.
Volume difference has always been in MU4. So.
Cursor is not that far off on my system. I don't go by it anyway.
What kind of range selection are you talking about? Same staff or interstaff.
Tab issues
Staff and tab are right next to each other. Just like always.

It may well be that I have little right to have an opinion here. I have played guitar all my life. Acoustic and electric. I have built some acoustic guitars. From bulk lumber. But I have little interest in writing for guitar. Perhaps I know too much about how it should sound. Software can't come close.
OTOH I feel that MU4 is such a vast improvement (even with all the many, many shortcomings) over MU3 (which is much worse), for my purposes, that I don't even have it on this computer.

Playback is fine for me. UI regressions? There are differences. I can't think of anything I miss. And I compose.

But I get that people prefer MU3. Great. Go to it.

In reply to by bobjp

bobjp wrote >I have little interest in writing for guitar. Perhaps I know too much about how it should sound. Software can't come close ...you can't write whatever you want and expect it to sound like you imagined.

I think I'm getting some pretty good results with VST guitars

• The point of origin is a MuseScore 3 score, with expressively attenuated note velocities, and tablature staff where I carefully chose the string assignments.
• Then I processed with the TAB Ring plugin. Exporting to MIDI was the last MuseScore chore.
• Next I imported to Logic Pro X. Dialed in VST guitar settings, added reverb, EQ, occasional tempo changes, sometimes stereo delay, supporting instruments, and compression.

scorster

There’s no longer a Guitar + Tablature template in File>New.
Guitar + Tablature was available in MS 3.6 and darn handy.

It is still there

In reply to by Jojo-Schmitz

Ah, thanks Jojo! Indeed the Guitar + Tablature is still there in MuseScore 4.2's File>New dialog. I've updated the original post to underscore my erroneous report.

In MuseScore 4.2 I inadvertently looked under the Instruments tab rather than the Templates tab.

In 3.6 and 3.7 the Template picker comes up first. I don't use MuseScore 4 much, so I hadn't noticed that the Instruments tab opens first by default. Now, after using 4.2's Template tab it opens immediately on File>New.

scorster

I feel like the range is too low for the guitars. On the electric guitar, the highest note the new SoundFont will play back is a C#6, which would be the 22nd fret of the highest string. Considering a lot of guitars nowadays have 24 frets (E6) and can go even higher with bends and harmonics, this makes it difficult to transcribe/write certain solos.

Also, I've found that bends do not playback properly with the Muse Guitar pack.

I don't play guitar but I agree with the UI being much harder to navigate. I prefer having more info visible and less clicks, much like MuseScore 3.6.

I think people just have different preferences so in the future hopefully MuseScore will provide more options to customize the user interface.

In reply to by MK140221

MK140221 wrote > I prefer having more info visible and less clicks, much like MuseScore 3.6.

Thanks. I couldn't have said it better!

MK140221 wrote > ... people have different preferences so in the future hopefully MuseScore will provide more options to customize the user interface.

Agreed. I suspect the current UI consequences are due to a partial move toward mobile UI. And while that's of definitely importance I usually find desktop UI easier to use, precisely to your point: In desktop UI more info is visible, thus less clicks and a faster working environment.

That said, I'm not adverse to change or to learning new systems—that's an active aspect of my tech lifestyle. I just don't like seeing perfectly good designs discarded and finding myself encumbered by a new approach that stymies my workflow efficiency ... no viable workarounds. (Editing note velocity in MuseScore 4 is a good example. One must first select Properties>Playback then toggle open Playback>Notes to reveal Velocity. Then if you click on any object other than a note you must toggle Playback area open again to regain access to Velocity. Note that undocking the Properties panel affords lots of available real estate but still no means for leaving Playback>Notes open.)

scorster

Everything you said regarding delay of notes (whether clicking on them and then later hearing the note, or the play head being ahead when playing) is all due to your buffer size. You can change this in Preferences > I/O > Buffer size. The lowest it can be is 1024ms and the highest is 4096ms. The way MuseSounds functions regrettably does not allow this to be any faster, as it needs a sizable chunk of data to predict what samples to use.

I hope that was helpful.

I agree with most of these issues, although I've not experienced the slow download or note delays. I too love the MS4 improvements, but everytime I dabble or attempt a job in MS4, I'm forced back to MS3 when I hit a deal-breaker.
- Let Ring doesn't work at all with the new Muse Sounds
- Let Ring doesn't work for long enough with the MS Basic Sounds
- 8va behaviour for guitars and tablature is buggy (seems to perhaps have been improved in 4.2)
- no screenshot tool for exporting snippets into chord charts!
- volume levels jump all over the place
- volumes are generally too quiet with the (otherwise lovely) new sounds
- when entering chords, pressing tab doesn't move you to the next bar

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