count in
Is there a way to have the first beats of the opening measure play as clicks rather than notes, to simulate what a drummer might do with sticks as the count-in to a piece? For example, the three eighth notes in the unnumbered measure of the attached piece?
Thanks
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Count in is missing in Mu4, was available in Mu3
In reply to Count in is missing in Mu4,… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks. That's disappointing.
In reply to Count in is missing in Mu4,… by Jojo-Schmitz
Hi--I'm using Mu4 to play melody to my uke accompaniment, and it's awkward to have to scramble to start the accompaniment after starting playback. That's why I could use count-in (which I think was once called tap-in). It was noted somewhere (perhaps by you) that one can add a blank measure at the beginning, which helps, and one can use the metronome for taps in this measure, but one would like to be able to turn the metronome off at the end of this measure (or elsewhere). Would it be hard to add metronome on/off notations to scores? This would work around missing count-in, and might be appreciated by others for other purposes. Perhaps there is already a way to do this in Mu4.--mfn
Could you use a pickup measure with a drumstick sound as a workaround?
In reply to Could you use a pickup… by yonah_ag
Sure, but this is an onerous approach and I have hundreds of small scores. I would be willing to add an empty measure and run the metronome at low volume for the whole score, but it is too much trouble to lower the metronome volume for each score, and I don't know how to lower it globally (or change its timber to some kind of drum). As usual, I feel that MuseScore is really for musicians more advanced than me.
In reply to Sure, but this is an onerous… by mfn
Yes, it would be onerous and shouldn't be necessary. Is there already a GitHub request logged for this feature? If not, you could log one.
In reply to Yes, it would be onerous and… by yonah_ag
I agree that it shouldn't be necessary. It's ridiculous that it was not included in 4 to begin with.
However, I disagree that it's onerous. Simply each time you open a score, inspect the beginning: a) If it has the leading measures, nothing further to be done. b) If it does not, click Add / Measures / Insert at start of score / 1 or 2, as you prefer. Then add notes on ANY instrument beating your time. Yer done! Takes about 10 seconds. Don't even try to get them all! Just add these to each score you happen to open.
I tend to add two measures with eighth notes on 1, rest, 3, rest, 1, 2, 3, rest (or a similar structure for other meters).
In reply to I agree that it shouldn't be… by TheHutch
@theHutch It's ridiculous that [count-in] was not included in 4 to begin with.
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That'd said, there is a considerable amount of effort in the recommended workaround (adding one or two measures at the beginning of a score) if you don't already have a percussion staff in the score:
• you'd have to add a percussion staff
• then choose your metronome sound
• then enter the notes, perhaps on beats 1 and 3 in bar one and and beats 1, 2, 3, 4 in bar two
• And I can see going to that extent IF I could hide empty measures in the main score and parts.
The correct solution? Development adds MS3's count-in functionality to MS and expands its options.
BTW, there have been other times I've wanted to hide one or more measures. Has that ever been requested?
Relevant links:
https://musescore.org/en/node/363896
I think these are the closest we get to a request on Github:
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/19193
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/14511
There's also the Github discussion requesting a revamped PlayPanel, which includes a count-in section:
https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/16723#issuecomment-227703…
In reply to @theHutch It's ridiculous… by scorster
A count-in via the play panel makes a lot more sense than the workaround. It would be easy to switch on/off globally and would not clutter the score.
In reply to @theHutch It's ridiculous… by scorster
Thanks for your support of my "onerous." From some of the comments, it sounded as if one could somehow vary instruments within a staff, but you don't seem think that is possible. I would not want to have a separate staff just for a few drum beats.
In reply to @theHutch It's ridiculous… by scorster
> " • you'd have to add a percussion staff"
No, you wouldn't!
> " • then choose your metronome sound"
No, you wouldn't!
> " • then enter the notes, perhaps on beats 1 and 3 in bar one and and beats 1, 2, 3, 4 in bar two"
ALL you would have to do is to Add one or two measures and then the count-in notes in an existing staff. Takes ~10-15 seconds
> " • And I can see going to that extent IF I could hide empty measures in the main score and parts."
Since there isn't a working proper count-in, it doesn't matter whether it's percussion or not. It doesn't matter that it looks bad. This is only for playback purposes. Only to practice against. For print/display, the presence or lack of a Count-In has no importance.
As I said above, I agree that MuS should have one. (Although, in my opinion, the one that MuS had before was not workable in many situations.)
However, since it doesn't, this is a perfectly usable, not-onerous workaround. Even for people with many scores. You don't want to do it to all your scores; only to the ones that you actually need a count-in for. You only have to do it once to any given score. A given person is likely only going to open and play 10-20-ish scores in any given day. That's a whole minute or two per day. That hardly qualifies as "onerous"!
In reply to > " • you'd have to add a… by TheHutch
> " • you'd have to add a percussion staff"
TheHutch wrote >> No, you wouldn't!
> " • then choose your metronome sound"
TheHutch wrote >> No, you wouldn't!
> " • then enter the notes, perhaps on beats 1 and 3 in bar one and and beats 1, 2, 3, 4 in bar two"
Sorry, I left out, "If you want a metronome sound" For all rights I shouldn't have assumed that was assumed.
So ... you're suggesting for a sax duet, choose a pitch and let the sax play the count-in.
No thanks.
MuseScore made a big mistake in not including and improving MS3's metronome count-in.
Pardon me for commenting on workarounds. That was unwarranted. They shouldn't be considered. The correct solution is the reintroduction of the metronome count-in feature than MANY have requested.
Peace out.
In reply to > " • you'd have to add a… by TheHutch
I practice with musescore not for entire scores but for difficult passages.
I need count in in plenty of places, randomly as my practice progresses.
The workaround "one measure begin of score " is totally useless for my usage.
That's actually the main reason why I stay with 3.6.2
In reply to I practice with musescore… by frfancha
> I practice with musescore not for entire scores but for difficult passages.
I need count in in plenty of places, randomly as my practice progresses.
Same for myself and for my students who use MuseScore.
We need to the option to easily invoke a count-in at ANY point in the score.
In reply to I practice with musescore… by frfancha
When I'm practicing a passage with looping is the time when I found the Count-In to be particularly unworkable. It always counted in, then played the passage once, then counted in again before playing the passage again. Often (indeed, more often than not), I want it to Count-In once, then loop through the passage repeatedly without any further Count-Ins. I usually had to (and still have to) simply loop from here to there, start the loop playing, and use the last part of the loop as my "Count-In".
In reply to I agree that it shouldn't be… by TheHutch
With hundreds of scores it's definitely onerous. However, some workarounds have a habit of coming back and biting you when the real feature becomes available, as I found when moving from MS2 to MS3.
It would be possible via a plugin in MS3.