Finale- looking for opinions.
I was wondering if anyone here has experience with Finale? Since I'm going to be getting much more serious about composing, I think it's about time I give in and buy a professional program. I'm a college student so I can get the discount, which is quite nice. lol
From what I've seen, Finale is pretty much the best music software available, but I would like to get some opinions of someone who's actually used the program as well. I love MuseScore, but I think it would be smart to have a more professional program as well.
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I have been using various versions of Finale since 1999. As my first notation software it was wonderful because it allowed me to stuff I'd never done before (like hear my compositions immediately, write and hear piano music I couldn't physically play, print fancy-looking sheet music). Of course there were also frustrating times particularly when I hit up against its limitations or bugs. Lyrics particularly were quite buggy back then (and still have some problems today).
The latest versions have come a long way. Probably the best thing about the recent versions of Finale is the quality of playback. Probably the worst thing about Finale is the file format it saves to. I still have scores that I edit using the software I bought in 1999 because opening the scores in a newer versions messes up the layout. Worse still, scores edited in newer versions cannot be opened at all by older versions of Finale. For example, I have Finale 2007 on my computer but if a friend sends me a file that was created in Finale 2008 or later then I am unable to open the file to view or edit it. I guess they want you to pay the yearly upgrade fee (usually around $140) and keep up with the latest versions. Because of these problems I have started avoiding using Finale whenever I can. Of course there are still some jobs that I can only do in Finale and at least for the near future Finale and Sibelius will continue to dominate the major publishing houses. They are both more mature, better funded, and have a head start.
I have been looking for a suitable open source scorewriter for many years and was very excited when I found MuseScore. It was quite limited when I first downloaded version 0.9.2 but those limitations are steadily being knocked away. Version 0.9.5 is probably the first version that is stable enough for normal use.
The current work on non-lossy transposition, improvements to part extraction, and a default SoundFont that includes all the instrument sounds, should make the upcoming 0.9.6 release much more suitable for ensemble and orchestral writing . I expect that MuseScore has a bright future ahead of it and it is exciting for me to be a part of it.
I say these things not to discourage you from purchasing professional software but to encourage you to report ways that MuseScore is not meeting your needs and to mention that Finale isn't without its own set of problems.
I would like to echo some of David's comments, as well as add some of my own. I am a middle school & high school band director, and I have been a Finale user since 2001. I purchased the upgrades in 2004, 2006, and 2009, but I became frustrated with the lack of new features and bugs that continued to be there version after version. I didn't feel the upgrade price was worth the small changes every year, and even after purchasing 2009, I discovered that it's not that much different for what I use it for from the 2001 version. That's when I began searching out alternatives and came across MuseScore. I would agree with David that 0.9.5 is the first truly usable version, as 0.9.4 (the first version I tested) had too many problems to be of use every day. With 0.9.5 the program has finally matured to the point of me being able to completely abandon Finale. I still open it to export some of my older scores to MusicXML so I can import them into MuseScore, but that's it. I don't write professional scores, but for my use, MuseScore more than gets the job done, and the improvements in 0.9.6 look great. I wrote every one of my football season arrangements on MuseScore this year, and I've started writing a new concert piece complete with percussion and a jazz band arrangement. I just did my first vocal arrangement yesterday for the chorus teacher who had the score but wanted individual parts to a piece. I was able to put in the entire 4 part piece, make it look exactly like it did on the printed page, and make single voice parts complete with lyrics (some lyrics were 2 lines). Sure, MuseScore is not without it's quirks/bugs, but so is Finale, and they want $$$ after $$$ after $$$! I've found that I can enter notation and create parts much quicker with MuseScore, and I always felt as if I was *fighting* with Finale to make it do what I wanted. Sometimes I have to work around MuseScore to make it do what I want, but I almost always achieve my goal, and I can't argue with the price.
The end came for me with Finale when they discontinued their free Finale Notepad, as I would direct my students to it so they could do basic arranging/composing and sometimes play with the scores that I gave them. Now they want to charge for Notepad, which is so limited as to not really be usable for anything but a *very* basic part, and my students don't have a free alternative to compose/arrange with. Now that I'm with MuseScore, the students can have the same full version program that I have to work with, and can open/edit the scores or parts I give them.
You may still want to purchase Finale, especially while you can get it with the discount (the full price is ridiculous in my opinion), but you may also ask yourself what you're going to do with it. If you feel you truly must have it for your needs, buy it, but given enough experience with MuseScore, you may want to save your money.
Thanks for the opinions. I decided to buy it, considering I can get it for $250 instead of $600 (I also think $600 is crazy). Since I'm going into composition, one of the things that's important to me is playback that's as realistic as possible. Not to mention, now that I have a program that sounds great, I can use that for "professional" sounding scores, and use MuseScore for ones that I wish to share with others. Once I start using it, I'll probably post back here to say how the two programs compare.
In reply to Thanks for the opinions. I by Michael M
Have a good time :-)
Trust me, I can't wait to get my hands on those high quality sounds. lol Being able to hear my work sounding so realistic is going to be great. It's a lot easier to REALLY get into writing a song if it has high quality sounds IMO.
In reply to Trust me, I can't wait to get by Michael M
I don't know much about Finale, but I always thought that the sounds were independent of the program - a great sound card can be used with any program.
Does Finale actually include samples?
Regards.
In reply to I don't by xavierjazz
It uses a software synthesizer (similar to how playback from MuseScore depends on what SoundFont you are using). It also tries to play "musically". Sometimes the "musicality" is overdone and the effect is amusing, but more often than not, it is quite convincing. See http://www.finalemusic.com/Finale/Features/HearingYourMusic/default.aspx
In reply to It uses a software by David Bolton
Before buying the program, I went around and listened to stuff that people had made with it. To be honest, I was blown away by how realistic the "good" ones sounded. I actually was having a hard time telling that some of it was synthesized it sounded so realistic. One of them that featured a flute sounded so realistic that I would not have known it wasn't a real flutist if I hadn't already known it was a synth. I play the flute, so that really impressed me.
It would be nice if one day MuseScore was able to play "musically" like Finale can. While I suppose it's not the most essential thing to have in the world, it does sound quite nice.
In reply to Before buying the program, I by Michael M
Just make sure that you have a strong enough computer to run it, and you're not running any other programs. In my experiences, the Garrison sounds that come with Finale take up massive system resources to play back. I will admit that they do sound really good, but I'm writing for my band to play it, so I'm more interested in how my band sounds playing it than how my notation software sounds!
In reply to Just make sure that you have by newsome
I don't have a band, so I guess I'll just have to make due with computer noises. lol
Just think... 20 years from now, these things are going to sound so realistic that you don't need real performers to play them! A composers dream come true.
In reply to I don't have a band, so I by Michael M
From a musician that's a composer, I think that's a terrible wish.
In reply to From by xavierjazz
I don't think anything will ever substitute for the "real deal", but it would be nice not to have to pay an entire orchestra to perform a piece. I imagine that can get VERY expensive. ; ]
In reply to I don't think anything will by Michael M
The trick is to write something that a producer will pay you for the privilege of performing. I have had a number of pieces played by groups from duos to very large ensembles. I have never paid.
Regards.
In reply to I don't have a band, so I by Michael M
I hope we never reach a point where a computer can simulate the emotion and humanism needed to perform a piece of music. If we do, I hope the computer's not called SkyNet...... [/Terminator reference]
In reply to Uh Oh by newsome
It will never really happen, as humans will always incorporate the technology around them.
Also, you are talking about the spirit invoked through shared request.
There is very little that is so exciting as conducting or performing in the instrument know as an orchestra.
Warmth.