Add Certian Note Layout opporations to the manual
Hello. I noticed that there are two features for not operations that are not documented in the handbook. Since they are useful in certain situations, they absolutely need to be documented. I have written my own documentation that I would like to be added to the handbook. As far as I can tell, there is no page that is currently in the documentation that would be appropriate for this documentation. I would suggest adding a page under "layout." Here it is:
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Note Offset
Notes can be moved by double clicking the note to enter edit mode. Then, use the arrow keys to move the note. This works in 0.9.5 and 0.9.6 (maybe earlier). This will not affect any other notes than the ones that are moved. Here is one situation in which this is useful:
as compared to
In the first image, the eight note is overlapping another eight note, but this is fixed by offsetting one of the eight notes. This will not work for lyrics that are spaced badly. For that, use leading and trailing space, as described below.
Leading and Trailing Space
Leading and trailing space will add more or less space after or before a note. Leading space adds space before the note, and trailing space adds space after the note. This is useful when there is not enough room for lyrics. Here is one situation in which trailing space is useful:
as compared to
There was trailing space added after the selected note in the second image. This made the lyrics more evenly spaced.
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As you can see, my example images for trailing space are perhaps not good examples, so if anyone knows of any long words to serve this purpose, feel free to let me know.
Thanks.
Isaac.
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Comments
I like the note offset part.
Regarding the trailing space, I don't like it. Adding spaces to lyrics for a layout problem will ends up with spaces in MusicXML export for example. It's better using Layout -> Add more Stretch to solve this issue IMHO.
Perhaps trailing space for lyrics is a bad example, but the leading/trailing space needs to be documented.
In reply to Perhaps trailing space for by isaac_
How were you adding the trailing space?
In reply to How were you adding the by David Bolton
Ah ha... My mistake - I forgot to tell how to add leading/trailing space. Add this to the my writing:
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To add leading or trailing space a note, right click it, and select note properties. Change the values of Additional Leading Space and Additional Trailing Space.
In reply to Ah ha... My mistake - I by isaac_
Revised Documentation:
Note Offset
Notes can be moved by double clicking the note to enter edit mode. Then, use the arrow keys to move the note. This works in 0.9.5 and 0.9.6 (maybe earlier). This will not affect any other notes than the ones that are moved. Here is one situation in which this is useful:
as compared to
In the first image, the eight note is overlapping another eight note, but this is fixed by offsetting one of the eight notes. This will not work for lyrics that are spaced badly. For that, use leading and trailing space, as described below.
Leading and Trailing Space
Leading and trailing space will add more or less space after or before a note. Leading space adds space before the note, and trailing space adds space after the note. To add leading or trailing space a note, right click it and select note properties. Change the values of Additional Leading Space and Additional Trailing Space.
In reply to Revised Documentation: Note by isaac_
Thanks.
For me, the note offset is important, but the stem direction is wrong.
There are many situations where stem direction expresses "handedness', but that is not the case here. The selected note should have an "up" stem to my mind.
Thanks again.
Regards,
EDIT: Do you mean "certain"?
In reply to Nice addition by xavierjazz
Yes, there are two typos in the subject line: Add Certian Note Layout opporations to the manual. It should read: Add Certain Note Layout operations to the manual.
In reply to Yes, there are two typos in by isaac_
Regards,
In reply to Nice addition by xavierjazz
I will assume the "selected" note is the eight note that I offset in the example. This note should actually have a down stem because it is in the lower voice of the upper staff. As you can see at the far right of the image, the eight note C is repeated in the upper staff, and if you saw more than half a bar of this piece, it would be more obvious.
In reply to I will assume the "selected" by isaac_
My own sense is that the notation, whatever it is, should be the absolutely simplest so as to covey the intent.
Therefore to me, clarity is paramount. I don't really care what "theory" says it should look like, unless theory is correct.
As a dear friend of mine appends to his emails, "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practise, in practise there is".
Regards,
In reply to My own sense by xavierjazz
Just to clear things up, I'll show you the rest of the bar. Though this is not the topic of the thread, I think that it is important to make sure that the screen shots in the documentation are correct.
As you can see, the middle C in the right hand is repeated, while the B that is a half step below middle C is a part of the left hand. I am simply making the suggestion that the player grab both the B and C with his right hand thumb. The alternative is jumping from the Octave A's up to a B, which is much harder in technique.
In reply to Just to clear things up, I'll by isaac_
Here's how I would write that measure. I think it is easier to read and cleaner looking.
In reply to Here's how I would write that by David Bolton
Based on this quote, "am simply making the suggestion that the player grab both the B and C with his right hand thumb", It seems that your solution David is for the wrong hand to play the cluster. I like the bracket, but the upper note's stem should be up, I believe.
Regards,
In reply to Wrong hand by xavierjazz
To simplify the example image, I have removed a bracket that I have over the two eight notes. But I actually do have a bracket.
Anyhow, I need the 8th note B on the top staff for the offset example. So the example will remain the same, because it conveys what I want to convey about offset.
Now, if there are no more revisions to make, I would be nice to get this in the documentation.
Regards,
Isaac.
In reply to To simplify the example by isaac_
I have found one more revision as it was pointed out to me that measure stretch is a better way to solve the problem of bad lyric spacing:
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Note Offset
Notes can be moved by double clicking the note to enter edit mode. Then, use the arrow keys to move the note. This works in 0.9.5 and 0.9.6 (maybe earlier). This will not affect any other notes than the ones that are moved. Here is one situation in which this is useful:
![withoutoffset.jpg]( "withoutoffset.jpg")
![withoffset.jpg]( "withoffset.jpg")
as compared to
In the first image, the eight note is overlapping another eight note, but this is fixed by offsetting one of the eight notes.
Leading and Trailing Space
Leading and trailing space will add more or less space after or before a note. Leading space adds space before the note, and trailing space adds space after the note. To add leading or trailing space a note, right click it and select note properties. Change the values of Additional Leading Space and Additional Trailing Space.