NotePerformer 3 Support
Is there any reason that NotePerformer 3 can't work with MuseScore? I'm sure every user would appreciate the more accurate playback NotePerformer provides.
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It has to be programmed in cooperation between MuseScore and NotePerformer. This is being worked on for MuseScore version 4 whenever it gets released, which won't be very soon.
In reply to It has to be programmed in… by mike320
It will be interesting to see if it is possible at all without fundamental changes to one or both.
In reply to It will be interesting to… by bobjp
There are fundamental changes happening to the internals for MS4, in part driven by supporting NotePerformer.
Not every user. Musescore is free (as in freedom) software, NotePerformer unfortunately isn't. To those of us who care about the ethical implications of software, NotePerformer is not something we can appreciate.
In reply to Not every user. Musescore is… by reddiesel41264
I'm curious to see how that works. 🤔
In reply to Not every user. Musescore is… by reddiesel41264
How is paid for software unethical intrinsically? Open Source software is a privilege NOT a right. Any endeavour for which people expend their labours is their right to monetise and protect at their discretion. This extends equally to your refrigerator, the work of the person building the road you drive on, the doctor that cures you as well as the person writing the software you use. Should they decide to release to you the inner workings of that work and extend to you the ability to modify it THAT is their choice.
It is certainly not UNETHICAL not to do so. Declaring it so is puerile and, frankly, stupid 😡
I’d love it to be Open Source. If it offends your tender soul then start or contribute to an open source version and stop whining like a spoilt child!
In reply to How is paid for software… by [DELETED] 36766783
No one is saying that paid software is unethical. Some people feel, however, that "free" is at the core of open source software. This would apply to the software and anything that is used with it.
Finale benefits financially from the sale of their software. So does NotePerformer. There is no such balance in the case of MuseScore and NotePerformer. Some people object to paid software benefiting off the back of developers who donating their time.
I know, in this dog eat dog, look out for yourself world, who cares?
In reply to How is paid for software… by [DELETED] 36766783
I made no mention of paid for or not paid for software, nor did I use the term "open source". I'm referring to free as in freedom, like free speech. I'm quite happy to pay for free software, in fact free software is the only software I do pay for. The fact that it respects my freedom makes it far more valuable and deserving of my financial contribution.
If you'd like to read more about the ethical implications of free vs proprietary software I recommend the free software foundation's website - https://www.fsf.org/.
In reply to I made no mention of paid… by reddiesel41264
I'm sorry I went to their website. I was hit with so many things asking for donations.
And then there was Snowden. Makes me reconsider using any open source software. Though I don't want to get political. This isn't the place.
In reply to I made no mention of paid… by reddiesel41264
So which part of Noteperforme violated your freedom? The fact that you can't go into it's source code and edit it or to share something similar to it? That's some communist drivel right there.
In reply to So which part of… by DeviousKid45
You are pretty funny,my friend. I went to the site to find out more about freeware vs paid in the post above mine. Once I got past all the donation popups it was no longer worth the time to me. I've been to the NP site many times hoping for something better than they had the last time I was there. Just not worth it to me.
Please read my post again. I never said anything violated my freedom. I am not in the least bit interested in source code for any software. What made you think that? Do you have any idea what communist drivel is? Please!
In reply to You are pretty funny,my… by bobjp
DeviousKid didn't answer you, they answered reddiesel.
For the good of this community, strive to be less rude on your remarks.
In reply to DeviousKid didn't answer you… by Patrick Villel…
Hard to tell sometimes who is answering who. Are you referring to my remarks? Hmmmm.
In reply to Hard to tell sometimes who… by bobjp
Are you referring to my remarks? Hmmmm.
Yes, you could have been a bit more gentle with your remarks. NotePerformer is a decent company, it's small, so it's agile, and it's willing to cooperate with MuseScore. Perhaps the obstacle at present is on the MuseScore side?
In reply to Are you referring to my… by DanielR
Wait. I didn't bring up the Communist drivel comment. I think over lapping comments are the problem here.
To be absolutely clear, I have no problem with NotePerformer and MuseScore joining. When did I say otherwise? In any way gentle or not? Want to use Noteperformer? Be my guest.
I know what it is and what it does.
In reply to Not every user. Musescore is… by reddiesel41264
The key point of freedom and democracy is to benefit most people. If an open sourced platform excludes certain participants regardless free or paid, it doesn’t maximize the benefits for the community. I use MS not because it’s free of charge. I enjoy the openness. Other major players already work with NP. And the reviews are overall positive. I’m excited to see the future VST support. I’m also looking forward for the NP playback in MU. NP is neither free nor perfect, but it’s cost-effectiveness and the efficiency are hard to beat.
In reply to The key point of freedom and… by ysu168
Not to get political, but I thought the point of freedom and democracy was to benefit ALL people.
Even if they finally get NP working, will compatibility be broken every time MuseScore updates or or upgrades.
In reply to Not to get political, but I… by bobjp
"Even if they finally get NP working, will compatibility be broken every time MuseScore updates or or upgrades?"
No more or less than compatibility will be broken for Sibelius, Finale or Dorico. Getting NotePerformer to work with those other notation programs wasn't entirely straightforward, and it required some changes by all three companies (if they wanted their program to work correctly with NP).
I am just glad that the developer of NotePerformer is prepared to cooperate with the MuseScore developers. And that he charges only a modest price for the product.
In reply to "Even if they finally get NP… by DanielR
Actually, as per the announcement a while back (https://musescore.org/en/node/319957), it does not appear NotePerformer itself will be supported any time soon, but instead something comparable.
In reply to "Even if they finally get NP… by DanielR
DanielR.
I own Sibelius 7.5.1. While there is Sibelius 8, and now subscription nonsense, there just isn't any major update. Granted a version of NP for my Sibelius wouldn't work on newer versions. How many upgrades to MS have there been since my version of Sibelius came out in 2014?
I know lots of folks like NP. Great. But it has short comings.
In reply to DanielR. I own Sibelius 7.5… by bobjp
@bobjp
All software has shortcomings, and all software gradually ages and becomes obsolete. One of those inevitable things, like death and taxes!
In reply to @bobjp All software has… by DanielR
I wouldn't pretend to know how things work. But a few things come to mind.
I would suspect that on some levels, MuseScore would be easier to deal with because the source code is already out there for anyone to work with.
I have to wonder, then, why hasn't this happened sooner? What kind of changes will have to be made for NotePerformer to work?
And then there is the problem of freeware. Are there other addons for MuseScore that you have to pay for? $130 might be nominal to some, but not everyone.
And what about playback? Because NotePerformeris basically a playback engine with its own sounds, how well can it be made to work with MuseScore? Will there be compromises on both sides?
All questions that will be answered, I'm sure. Just kind of thinking out loud. At my age, loud is about all I can hear.
My objections to NP have less to do with it not being free, and more about playback. NP has a limited number of instruments and won't suit everyone to begin with. NP claims to use an algorithm to playback music in a more natural way. Like real musicians. But it's not my algorithm, or my way of performing. I've had people run my music through NP. They always say,"Doesn't that sound better?" It sounds different to me and better to them. But not better to me. Sure, everyone has there own idea of what sounds better.
What MuseScore needs is better fonts and better ways to control them. Hairpins are getting there, but the tempo control plugin has a ways to go. Some people what the software to interpret their music. I like to have more control. A slight rit here or there. Minor tempo fluctuation controlled buy me in a playback score that would be different from a score I give to real players.
In reply to My objections to NP have… by bobjp
Well say I compose a concert band piece and don't have a band to perform it for me(which I don't because I'm not an established composer). Thats where noteperformer is useful.
In reply to Well say I compose a concert… by Jacob Ratledge
I'm not saying NP isn't useful. But there's nothing preventing you from writing for concert band right now.
In reply to I'm not saying NP isn't… by bobjp
Won't stop me from writing, but it will stop me from submitting to a publisher, or advertising the piece due to musescore's rather poor playback of large ensembles.
In reply to Won't stop me from writing,… by Jacob Ratledge
FWIW, publishers generally won't be caring what the playback sounds like in your software - they won't ever hear that anyhow. They will just want it to look good. So if you're interested in getting published, best advice is to focus your efforts now on those final bits of visual polish that the publishers do care about. And maybe by the time you have pieces ready and accepted for publication (the process of shopping around to publishers , signing contracts, and so forth can take many months), maybe NotePerformer will be an option also, as a bonus :-)
In reply to FWIW, publishers generally… by Marc Sabatella
Agreed. Publishers will be able to tell, just by looking at your score, whether or not you have a clue how to write music. Better to concentrate on good writing. Notation playback is an aid, not an end. Things I complain about are to bring MS closer to other notation software.
In reply to My objections to NP have… by bobjp
To have all those controls, you need a DAW with a big sample library, no mention the time needed to learn. NP is a quick and inexpensive shortcut. It’s by far not perfect (our human performances are all perfect?), but it’s in a good direction.
Of course I'm using Musescore on my MacBook Pro kindly donated to me by the altruistic non-profit making open source company Apple.....