Snap pizzicato above doesn't work
I have a violin piece from "Liszt - Tasso, Lamento e Trionfo" with snap pizzicatos, but they don't sound any different than the regular note. I'm using a full score from IMSLP as my dynamics template and substituting staccatos as a workaround. Is there something I'm missing, or are they really not working? If they aren't working, is there a better choice than staccato I can use instead? Thanks! <3
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That is an articulation that doesn't work.
In reply to That is an articulation that… by mike320
Thanks, mike320. I'll continue with staccatos for now. Maybe it will work on the next upgrade. <3
In reply to Thanks, mike320. I'll… by judeeylander
There's a big push for improved playback in MuseScore 4, which won't be the next update, but will surely come some day/month/year.
Meanwhile, pet peeve: snap pizzicato does work, it appears in your score exactly as intended. it just doesn't happen to also playback.
In reply to There's a big push for… by Marc Sabatella
Thanks, Marc. It doesn't playback and didn't export to MP3 either. However, staff text pizz. plays back in MuseScore and exports to MP3 beautifully! There's always more to do to make the system better, but I am so grateful for what we have today. I'm also glad we found a workaround for this little thing. <3
But pizz. should work for all string instruments.
In reply to But pizz. should work for… by Jojo-Schmitz
Maybe I don't know the sound I'm looking for, but it sounds like bowed strings, not plucked strings. Sometimes I use the louré to get a slight sound break between notes for definition. I'm thinking plucked strings should be shorter and maybe have a slightly different sound. Are you able to get it to work for you, Jojo? <3
In reply to Maybe I don't know the sound… by judeeylander
You could use staff text to change the sound as described in https://musescore.org/en/node/50196 but this doesn't really make the articulation work.
In reply to You could use staff text to… by mike320
It does make the pizzicato work. The staccato does sound already and other articulations are not used, not in that score, nor in that image.
OP talked about snap pizzicato, which in the articulations palette and indeed does not sou´nd, but neither the image asks for not the score uses it
In reply to It does make the pizzicato… by Jojo-Schmitz
Jojo—In the first bar of the image, it has in text "Strings pizz." It's also pizz. in the full score on IMSLP. <3
In reply to Jojo—In the first bar of the… by judeeylander
Which in a piano part doesn't make any sense, but in a strings part just works
In reply to Which in a piano part doesn… by Jojo-Schmitz
Jojo—This is from Volume 2 of 14 of The Art of Music: A Comprehensive Library of Information for Music Lovers and Musicians by Daniel Gregory Mason 1915. Distributed Proofreaders is converting the series into ebooks which will be uploaded to Project Gutenberg as each volume is completed.
The author is discussing Liszt and has placed snippets of music in the text. He often uses a piano score and indicates other instruments, probably because it's a simple way to reference the piece. I'm on the music team. I do my best to create sound files for the books using references in the text. The image says cello and strings. I found the section in the full score on IMSLP and created the png for the book with accompanying sound file by duplicating the muted piano score and hiding all the other instruments. I also check it against recordings to make sure I'm picking up all the unwritten nuances of performance. The end reader will see what the author wrote, but also hear the music played referencing the best of contemporary performances. <3
In reply to Jojo—This is from Volume 2… by judeeylander
In a piano part that pizzicato text is nothing but a mere staff text though
In a strings part it is switching to a pizzicato sound
In reply to In a piano part that… by Jojo-Schmitz
@Jojo—I don't believe the author intended a piano was to be played. I believe he only scored it as piano as a way of condensing all the parts for the book. I have to reproduce the exact visual for the ebook, but I do my best to reproduce the sound of the symphony score in the sound files. The hidden score is violin, viola, cello, and contrabass. <3
In reply to @Jojo—I don't believe the… by judeeylander
So don't use a Piano and don't expect a pizz on piano to sound right ;-)
Or use this
In reply to So don't use a Piano and don… by Jojo-Schmitz
I never considered it piano music. It was always strings. Only the strings sound in the MP3 file. But for the book, I have to exactly reproduce the image as a png. Piano is the fastest way to recreate the visual. In this case, the piano was also muted for the MP3. We would have to take the cover off the piano to get a pizz. there. I'm not sure MuseScore has a way to reproduce a plucked piano yet. <3
In reply to I never considered it piano… by judeeylander
There is a Strings 'instrument' available, Strings sound, piano like staff, see above
In reply to There is a Strings … by Jojo-Schmitz
I'm scoring five strings. They won't fit on two staffs. For me, the easiest way is to create and mute the piano, then score each of the strings separately. If I only had two instruments and each was on a different staff, in the past, I have scored just the two instruments. <3
In reply to I'm scoring five strings… by judeeylander
It does fit and sounds right too, see and hear ;-)
In reply to It does, see by Jojo-Schmitz
Yep. That's my score you got up there. Visible and muted piano. Hidden strings. This is the final version for the book. <3
In reply to Yep. That's my score you got… by judeeylander
No, it isn't, not the score I attached, nothing muted or invisible. (except for the ottava line)
In reply to No, it isn't by Jojo-Schmitz
Interesting. Where do you find Streichinstruments? And how do you tell the difference between the violin sounds? They aren't all just a violin sound up and down the scale. Each size instrument has a different timbre. Listen to the difference between your sample and my finished piece. Tempo is 160 BPM.
In reply to Interesting. Where do you… by judeeylander
In the Instruments dialog search for "Strings" ("Streichinstrumente" in the German version)
The sound is "Strings Fast expr.", "Strings pizzicato" and "Strings Trem expr.", but there are some others available in the mixer too.
Esp. with the HQ soundfont I think
In reply to In the Instruments dialog… by Jojo-Schmitz
Ah, Jojo! I learned something new today. Wizard honors, sir. Wizard honors.
My instruments selection had been set to Common Instruments, not all instruments. In English, it's just called Strings.
However, when I listen to your strings and my individual instruments, I like mine better. Artist preference. But now that I know there is another option, I certainly will consider it in the future! <3
In reply to Ah, Jojo! I learned… by judeeylander
De gustibus non disputandum est ;-)
In reply to De gustibus non disputandum … by Jojo-Schmitz
Die Ausbildung ist universell, aber die Leistung ist immer die Laune des Darstellers. ;)
or
Ministrorum institutio universal is: sed semper perficiendi operante fingere arbitrium. ;)
Google translate is a WONDERFUL thing! LOL!
In reply to You could use staff text to… by mike320
mike320—Staff text is WONDERFUL! Plays back in MuseScore and exports to MP3 beautifully. Thank you! <3
In reply to Maybe I don't know the sound… by judeeylander
Yes, bowed strings. Not in the case of pizzicato though...
In reply to Yes, bowed strings. Not in… by Jojo-Schmitz
I have MuseHub Strings but I don't know how to get Snap Pizzicato to work
In reply to I have MuseHub Strings but I… by s1114182721
I'm on 4.0 now. Pizzicato has been moved to Text. Click on the note where you want to start, then click Pizz. in Text. Should work just fine. Good luck! :)
There are workarounds that will help with getting more of that 'pluck' in your strings.
--Make the plucked note values as short as you want. I typically substitute 32nds for 8ths. Adding a staccato above may help too.
--Use other soundfonts if the ones currently built into MS don't work.
--Make separate staves for pizzicati and bowed string, i.e. treat the staves as separate instruments for the same string instrument. I see that MS4 currently has both bowed strings and pizzicati strings, but I haven't found a way to use more than one of these for specific notes on the same staff.
The problem with these workarounds is if you plan to use your score for performance by humans with traditional instruments. It's too bad that for things like this, you have to prepare one "trick" version for the computer and another version for humans. But I haven't used any notation software that plays back exactly the way I hear it in my head. I've always had to use tricks for something.