Whatever happened to [DELETED] 1831606?
For six years, [DELETED] 1831606 has posted on this discussion forum. What happened? [DELETED] 1831606 has made so many useful contributions to our project that it stuns me to note the It's absence. Was this deletion a self-inflicted wound?
https://musescore.org/en/user/164356?page=46
I see that It was last seen in Composer's Corner.
https://musescore.org/en/user/164356?page=0
Comments
That indeed was probably bsg, and yes, he left the site on his own will
In reply to Trust was probably bsg, and… by Jojo-Schmitz
If it was him he has his own site now (see: https://musescore.com/groups/counterpoint-and-fugue/discuss/5102571#)
In reply to If it was him he has his own… by Shoichi
Well, this cramps my style! [DELETED] 1831606 was one of my main reasons for visiting this forum. Intelligent chap, 'e was. I think some acknowledgement of his contribution is in order.
In reply to Well, this cramps my style! … by Rockhoven
We can't keep users against their will. He got granted a lifetime Pro account to honor his work, but left regardless. It is a pity indeed.
In reply to We can't keep users against… by Jojo-Schmitz
Did [DELETED] 1831606 say anything before leaving? I really don't think we can afford this. This situation gives me pause.
In reply to Did [DELETED] 1831606 say… by Rockhoven
But before I pause, I feel like singing the blues.
One less bell to answer...
In reply to But before I pause, I feel… by Rockhoven
one less egg to fry
In reply to Did [DELETED] 1831606 say… by Rockhoven
Yes, he gave a long and detailed reasoning
In reply to Yes, he gave a long and… by Jojo-Schmitz
What was that reason? I spose it was a conglomeration of issues?
In reply to What was that reason? I… by Rockhoven
The reason for his departure is stated quite clearly at his own site: https://bernardgreenberg.com/MuseScore.html
In reply to Yes, he gave a long and… by Jojo-Schmitz
...and some not so long:
https://musescore.org/en/node/310185#comment-1025516
;-)
In reply to ...and some not so long:… by Jm6stringer
What do you make of that?
In reply to What do you make of that? by Rockhoven
It is never good to talk about users who are no longer active in the forum. I don't know anything about the reasons, but I respect them (even if I appreciated his knowledge). At least for me, I think, such an attitude is not the worst.
In reply to It is never good to talk… by kuwitt
What attitude? I think he had many issues. I wanted to connect with him because of those issues. He had an issue with telemetry that went ignored. The link that stringer provided is from a year ago. Honestly, I thought we were just having some harmless fun.
In reply to What attitude? I think he… by Rockhoven
The attitude of never talking about users who are no longer active and have no way to respond themselves ;-).
If you want to contact him, maybe it's possible to do this on his personal web site (after a short look there seems to be a contact form). But I'm not sure.
But please respect it, that he leaves this forum (as well as other contributors/supporters of the forum since it exists).
note: And I do not think that you are the reason.
OK. So let's just make note that the function of [DELETED] 1831606 was primarily as a transcriber. That makes two excellent people that we have lost in the past year.
In reply to OK. So let's just make note… by Rockhoven
Not true, check https://bernardgreenberg.com/Sets/, it lists quite a few of his oen compositions
In reply to OK. So let's just make note… by Rockhoven
Teacher, Thinker, Composer, Arranger and Music analyst.
In reply to Teacher, Thinker, Composer,… by Ziya Mete Demircan
...sometimes also a very emotional discussant (if I remember the Paskhuli thread ;-).
In reply to ...sometimes also a very… by kuwitt
Don't remind me, I'm getting on my nerves. :)
In reply to ...sometimes also a very… by kuwitt
kuwitt • Aug 8, 2021 - 16:51
...sometimes also a very emotional discussant (if I remember that Paskhuli thread ;-).
That had to be one of the greatest troll threads ever - except that P was for real! It was incredible how far it got out of hand before getting canned.
In reply to That had to be one of the… by yonah_ag
And IMHO, there was more than one user participated that the thread finally was closed. As mentioned above, beyond that, I had always appreciated the skills of BSG.
In reply to And IMHO, there was more… by kuwitt
There were indeed several contributors but thankfully for all of us the thread is gone.
In reply to There were indeed several… by yonah_ag
Indeed, you are right, and this side aspect should not diminish the commitment of BSG either from my side.
In reply to Teacher, Thinker, Composer,… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Ziya Mete Demircan • Aug 8, 2021 - 15:14
Teacher, Thinker, Composer, Arranger and Music analyst.
+1 and Plugin Writer
A huge loss to the Musescore community. He also showed an exceptional intellect and a great sense of humour. Some of the PMs that I received from him left my sides aching.
In reply to OK. So let's just make note… by Rockhoven
For some weird reason, the .com site lists me as banned. I got no notification or anything, so I assume this is a bug in the server software, but… I’m not uploading any new transcriptions there either. I self-publish (like BSG), and I upload to free-scores point com (like Mike Magatagan) what I can, though I’ll miss the discussions.
(Of course I know I’m nowhere even near BSG’s niveau, but I’m somewhat steadily producing digital editions of old music as well.)
In reply to For some weird reason, the … by mirabilos
Just out of curiosity, did you ask support why and get an answer (on the rare occasions I needed musescore.com, I got an answer very quickly)?
(BTW. As far as I can think, musescore.com has always been a "problem child" ;-)
In reply to Just curious, did you ask… by kuwitt
I can’t seem to message people on .com any more, and couldn’t find staffers on .org, so I wrote a bugreport using the form first (before I even saw the profile lists me as banned), and then wrote support@.com but only got an autoresponder that I was to go to the .org forums for support.
Nothing else yet. We’ll see.
In reply to I can’t seem to message… by mirabilos
Your .com profile indeed shows "This user is banned due to violation of Community Guidelines"
I kind of would've expected they at least mailed you about the supposed violation then; strange indeed.
In reply to Your .com profile indeed… by jeetee
It is a strange matter that the person who pays the most attention to such rules gets banned.
In reply to Your .com profile indeed… by jeetee
Huh, gertim is also banned, same message on his profile.
In reply to For some weird reason, the … by mirabilos
Hi @mirabilos. I'm told that the .com ban was an accident and should be corrected soon. Sorry for the inconvenience!
In reply to Hi mirabilos. I'm told that… by shoogle
It should be fixed now.
In reply to It should be fixed now. by shoogle
For me, it is.
In reply to For me, it is. by classicalmemes
Indeed. I got a mail response saying:
> Your account under mirabilos / [email] has been unbanned.
>
> Please accept our apologies for the inconvenience.
No reason mentioned; so thanks @shoogle for mentioning it apparently was a mistake.
You also have to understand that the time he left was a time of high tension for most of the community as well. There were many discussions about visions of the future and how trash the website was and users leaving and trolls posting purposely controversial discussions and so much more, and BSG was involved with all of it. I believe that he left not only because of the reasons on his website but also how the community was turning into more of a discussion community than a musical community, and the staff was also bothering him a lot due to their opinions about how the website should be run (I think). Also, this may or may not be related to BSG's departure, but many people including him hated the rating system and were angry that any random person with no musical experience could rate any score 1 star as a "joke" and then was not required to explain why it needed so much improvement.
This probably wasn't liked with BSG's departure, but discussions such as this definitely didn't create a great atmosphere for active users of the community like BSG: https://musescore.com/groups/improving-musescore-com/discuss/5098710
Note that not all of this information is guaranteed to be accurate, but I want to provide as much info as possible about what could happen, especially because most active users in the musescore.com community aren't super active here, and vice versa.
http://musicnotation.org/wiki/notation-systems/plain-music-notation-sys…
What evidence is there to support the claim that Pashkuli was a troll? And why was it necessary to delete or close the thread? The discussion had ceased naturally.
In reply to What evidence is there to… by Rockhoven
Please don't re-open the P debate: it was a debacle. Just Google him and you will see that he behaves in the same way on any forum that dares to raise questions about his "notation system".
In reply to What evidence is there to… by Rockhoven
The thread had to be deleted because P slipped up and posted something that could have had legal consequences. The "discussion" had not ceased naturally. I took screen shots as evidence and it was right for it to be deleted.
In reply to The thread had to be deleted… by yonah_ag
Also because of the way a few users discussed there.
In reply to Also because of the way a… by kuwitt
Yes, some of us played a part in making that thread as bad as it was and I am disappointed that I was one of them.
In reply to Yes, some of us played a… by yonah_ag
If you wouldn't mind explaining (or just dm me on musescore.com), what happened?
BSG just contacted me to ask to post this link here:
https://bernardgreenberg.com/WhyILeft.html
So now you have it directly from the horse's mouth, no further need to guess or speculate or rely on rumours
In reply to BSG just contacted me to ask… by Jojo-Schmitz
I sent him an eMail in EBCDIC encoding. Maybe that’ll amuse him. ☻
(If it doesn’t explode his mailer. None of these I use handle the message correctly, but they explode less than they do on UTF-16-encoded mails. I had to write it by hand, correct headers and encoding and all. Not a hard task for me, but still amusing.)
In reply to BSG just contacted me to ask… by Jojo-Schmitz
BSG: Articulate as ever and very clear reasons for his departure.
In reply to BSG just contacted me to ask… by Jojo-Schmitz
If you could tell Bernie thanks for taking the time to do this, then that would be great! Also, is the "horse's mouth" thing an expression or something like that? If not, it seems a bit rude, although I don't think you intended it that way.
In reply to If you could tell Bernie… by classicalmemes
As far as I can it is an expression, at least I learned it as that.
And indeed it is: https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/from+the+horse%27s+mouth
(Phew). Might well be UK specific (referring to horse race and betting)
And also as far as I can tell BSG still reads here
Edit: he just confirmed:
"From the horse's mouth" is perfectly appropriate US English, and not rude.
In reply to As far as I can it is an… by Jojo-Schmitz
Cool, I guess you learn a new thing every day :)
And BSG, if you see this message, I would like to see if somehow you could get all of your suggestions for musescore.com (just like a bulleted list with a couple of reasons why it improves the site for each bullet) and I can see if I can sift through those ideas and find ones that the staff might actually think about and maybe even implement them into the website when proposed to them (of course by me) with some backing up from other members of the community. Believe it or not, when you left, the whole site started making discussions about where you went and what happened and if they could reach you, and even now, there are still updates about you and your website and what happened with you. Plus, your absence certainly shook up staff and others even after being gifted lifetime PRO. You are still a very influential person on this site, and I believe your ideas could be good, just presented by another person with a slightly different speech style. Thanks to both of you, Jojo-Schmitz and BSG, and if you are reading this, think about if you would be willing to talk with me on maybe a new alt of yours :)
In reply to As far as I can it is an… by Jojo-Schmitz
I guess it's an idiom meaning "from a trusted/reliable source".
In reply to I guess it's an idiom… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Indeed. Actually the superlative of that. from the most trusted/reliable source
In reply to Indeed. Actually the… by Jojo-Schmitz
There is an idiom in my language: literal translation "heard from first mouth".
It sounds like that.
In reply to There is an idiom in my… by Ziya Mete Demircan
"heard from first hand" in my language
In reply to "herad from first hand" in… by Jojo-Schmitz
"from the horse's mouth" is one way in English!
In reply to "from the horse's mouth" is… by DanielR
That's what started this part of the discussion ;-)
In reply to That's what started this… by Jojo-Schmitz
Wake up, Daniel... ;-)
In reply to "from the horse's mouth" is… by DanielR
After reading his page, I'd say he's a veritable "Mr. Ed."
But let us continue to sing our praises for our dearly departed one. Many of you have said wonderful things that bring a tear to my eye. Allow me to eulogize DELETED 1831606. Few of you know that DELETED 1831606 was one of the greatest punctuationists who ever posted here. Many a time, while engaged in some intellectual contest, I would read his arguments and admire his punctuation_ He would place his question marks perfectly; Never did he omit a wanting period¡ No¿ Not he; his punctuation was impeccable? Often, after posting some non-sensical rant, he would remove the offending words and leave nothing but a simple period behind. That is the mark of a true master of the art of punctuation.
In reply to After reading his page, I'd… by Rockhoven
As mentioned, I appreciated the high skills of BSG. I also learned from it. But again, please respect, it was his personal decision. IMHO, if it's really necceassry to open a thread for a VIP, it's for me Werner Schweer. But I'm afraid he wont like it ;-).
In reply to As mentioned, I appreciated… by kuwitt
In the same way as I respect that you think different about it... Just it's, that I personally don't like any sacrificial altars - Sorry about it. Others may think different about it than me and are welcome to leave a comment here.