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Doing a big transcribing job in musescore 4.3 (Henry Threadgill Sweet Holy Rag) and having great time....
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Doing a big transcribing job in musescore 4.3 (Henry Threadgill Sweet Holy Rag) and having great time....
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Me too. I'm transcribing Beethoven's Piano Sonatas. I've done 150 pages in the original and working slowly on toward the 800 page total. It's a job!!!
In reply to Me too. I'm transcribing… by TheHutch
Love a Beethoven Piano Sonata!
In reply to Me too. I'm transcribing… by TheHutch
What instrumentation are you transcribing for?
In reply to What instrumentation are you… by Magnus Johansson
At this point, I'm just putting notes in a row ... which makes it for piano. But it will make it easy to change instrumentation once complete if I (or anyone else) wants to.
In reply to At this point, I'm just… by TheHutch
What kind of row? Can you attach an image?
In reply to What kind of row? Can you… by Magnus Johansson
:-D "notes in a row" is just a take on a phrase referring to reading. If one is reading "words in a row", it means that one does not care WHAT it is that they are reading, just something to read. It comes (as far as I know) from a story by Robert A. Heinlein where a character cannot sleep without reading something so he asks just for "words in a row": something to read before he goes to sleep.
I meant that I'm not doing anything special with the notes, just entering the notes without any particular instrumentation. Since Beethoven wrote the Sonatas for "Clavicembalo o Piano-Forte", I just put them on a piano grand staff, exactly as they are on the original source I am transcribing from. Like so:
A few measures from my transcription of Piano Sonata No. 13 (opus 27, no. 1), third movement ("Allegro vivace")
Once I'm done with them, one possibility I've thought of is to notate them as a guitar duet. Should be neat, but challenging!!!
In reply to :-D "notes in a row" is just… by TheHutch
Thanks for the explanation and the music example, but isn't what you have done so far copying and not transcribing?
In reply to Thanks for the explanation… by Magnus Johansson
I would say that, in these days of digital scores, these two jobs--already almost the same--have reached the point where they are actually identical.
"Transcribing" refers to changing the format of a score: for example, changing the instrumentation from solo piano to guitar duet. That would then include changing the data format from paper to digital. "Copying" traditionally refers to making the many copies required by an ensemble or making copies for sale. Digitizing the score does that automatically.
So, I'd say that there is only one difference: transcribing by ear. No, I'm definitely not doing that. If you want to call what I'm doing "copying", that's fine with me. I will continue calling it "transcribing" as that term is equally valid.
In reply to I would say that, in these… by TheHutch
I think it is important to call things by their correct names and not what people want to call them.
In reply to I think it is important to… by Magnus Johansson
I think I am calling things by their correct names. "Transcribing" and "copying" are all but identical. "Arranging" as JoJo said is similar but, in this context definitely begins with what I'm doing: transcription. The important thing that I am doing is moving the notation from paper to digital notation, which cannot "correctly" be called anything but "transcribing" ... though, as I said, you're free to call it whatever your pedantic heart wants (says the extreme pedant *LOL*)
In reply to I would say that, in these… by TheHutch
changing the instrumentation from solo piano to guitar duet
That's "arranging" to me, while "transcribing" to me is to bring something from one form, like a sheet of paper, to another, like an electronic score you can play, transpose etc. And copying is like what the medival monks did, bringing stuff from one paper onto another, or what nowadays Xerox does or a Fax
In reply to changing the instrumentation… by Jojo-Schmitz
Arranging usually involves changes to e.g. harmonization and adding new parts.
In reply to Arranging usually involves… by Magnus Johansson
Yes. Like changing from Piano to 2 guitars...
In reply to Yes. Like changing from… by Jojo-Schmitz
No, that is changing the instrumentation.
In reply to No, that is changing the… by Magnus Johansson
adding new parts...
Whatever: part of arranging
In reply to adding new parts... by Jojo-Schmitz
Parts in the sense of the word in "four-part harmony", not in the sense of instrument parts.
Tommy, what instrumentation are you transcribing for?
In reply to Tommy, what instrumentation… by Magnus Johansson
No, what instrumentation are you arranging for ;-)
In reply to No, what are you arranging… by Jojo-Schmitz
I am not arranging anything for the moment, but I have made many transcriptions and arrangements. By the way: is your name Tommy?
In reply to I am not arranging anything… by Magnus Johansson
No, Jojo. And I was just correcting your use of transcription ;-)
In reply to No, Jojo. And I was just… by Jojo-Schmitz
It was no correction. See Tommy's post above. And your name isn't really Jojo but Joachim, right?
In reply to It was no correction. See… by Magnus Johansson
Tommy is transcribing, so no instrument change
And yes, my real given name is Joachim, But almost everybody calls me Jojo, since almost 50 years
In reply to @TheHutch was transcribing by Jojo-Schmitz
Transcribing often involves change in instrumentation.
In reply to Transcribing often involves… by Magnus Johansson
That's arranging...
Here's my definitions:
Only the latter may cause an own copyright, as it is an intellectual property.
All can violate a copyright, copying and transcribing most certainly will (unless the source is Public Domain).
In reply to That's arranging... by Jojo-Schmitz
No, are you not aware of Franz Liszt's famous transcriptions for piano of e.g. Beethoven symphonies?
In reply to No, are you not aware of… by Magnus Johansson
Whether I am or not doesn't matter: You mean arrangements... (else it wouldn't have caused a copyright to him)
In reply to You mean arragnements? by Jojo-Schmitz
No, they are transcriptions.
In reply to No, they are transcriptions. by Magnus Johansson
No, arrangements. As per my definition above. Period. ;-)
In reply to No, arrangements. As per my… by Jojo-Schmitz
Your definition is incorrect.
In reply to Your definition is incorrect. by Magnus Johansson
No. But I guess we have to agree to disagree on this.
In reply to No. But I guess we have to… by Jojo-Schmitz
Jojo, I'm afraid your own definition of transcribe is incorrect.
And what you want to call arrange is indeed arrange, but as a subcategory of the more generic word transcribe that is -also- transcribe
In reply to Your definition is incorrect. by Magnus Johansson
Trans: across, from one medium to another
scribere: writing
In reply to @TheHutch was transcribing by Jojo-Schmitz
Tommy is here...
In reply to Tommy is here... by tommybanana
Guys - I am 100% with JoJo. And he knows how to use bold and italic. Therefore he wins.
Your use of transcribing is incorrect* - in the jazz world at least.
I am transcribing - which in the jazz world means listening to the recording and working out what is being played and then writing it down as notation - whether digitally on paper. I don't want to be pedantic-er but it is quite a bit more involved than copying an already scored piece of music from paper to software or onto a different instrument -because it can be really difficult to work out what is going on. The notating part is kind of the easy bit. It is a real test of the ear.
So I think we need a different word for copying an existing score onto a digital notation programme - yes it is moving it from a physical to digital realm - but the information is being transferred not decoded and translated.
I would also argue - and agree with JoJo with my co-de-pedant hat on - that moving to another instrument is arranging or orchestrating?
In the jazz world the terms copying and transcribing do not mean the same thing at all.
When transcribing - as we use the term - the information is being decoded from audio to notation and that is a much bigger transformation - and sometimes involves guesswork, assumptions, extrapolations, etc Sometimes the rhythm or intonation in the performance means you have to decide which pitch or rhythm should be notated because what was played was kind of in between two or more options. For jazz players it often also means working out the chord progression in order to give for improvisers.
I am transcribing music by Henry Threadgill - arguably America's greatest living composer - from his purple patch in the 80's when he wrote for his Sextett which was a septet - alto sax, trumpet, trombone, cello, bass and two drums. One tune has also has a singer. Check out 'Sweet Holy Rag' listen to the end - one of the greatest pieces of music ever made IMO - it's on iTunes and Youtube.
Also doing 'The Devil is on the Loose and Dancin' with a Monkey'...
PS Jojo - how do you do bold? Pedants need bold!
PPS I disagree with you all with the greatest of respect and love!
*PPPS It is quite possible that the word transcribe means quite different things in different genres/ fields of music making and to different people - and so that neither side is wrong. The role producer is very different in the jazz and classical worlds is VERY different as I found out once to my cost....
PPPPS Just noticed some rests that need cleaning up...
In reply to I am transcribing - which in… by tommybanana
There's also some guess work involved when transcribing from an old handwriting...
But yes, transcribing by ear certainly is more involved than transcribing from paper (I only do the latter, but in my childhood occasionaly did the former, can't do it any more), yet both is just transcribing, transfering information from one form into another
In reply to There's also some guess work… by Jojo-Schmitz
No, transcribing is not just transfering info.
Not at all.
But yes writing a score by ear is trancribing.
That's the two meanings of transcribing in music :
-Writing a score based on a recording (or good ear memory like Mozart ;-) )
-What you have called arranging
Copying from one already written score to another one, like for like, such from a printed version into MuseScore is just copying, not transcribing
In reply to No, transcribing is not just… by frfancha
Not as per my definitions and use.
In reply to I am transcribing - which in… by tommybanana
bold : __bold__ or **bold**
italic: _italic_ or *italic*
Can get combined too, and intra-word _ doesn't work
In reply to bold : __bold__ by Jojo-Schmitz
You give away your formatting secrets too easily.
And unfortunately you are wrong - eg transferring from paper notation to musescore is copying for me because it is visual data to identical visual data on different platform (no transformation of data - only location/platform) - but only in my jazz world.
In reply to You give away your secrets… by tommybanana
Here is the (English) wikipedia page for "Transcription (music)":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcription_(music)
It does not agree with Jojo:
"... Transcription may also mean rewriting a piece of music, either solo or ensemble, for another instrument or other instruments than which it was originally intended. ..."
In reply to You give away your secrets… by tommybanana
Thanks for teaching me bold and italic and best of luck to you all in your worlds!
In reply to Thanks for teaching me bold… by tommybanana
Fellas: I think we need to let this go. We could be writing music.... I should be writing music....
PLUS we all know the jazz way is the best way (except wrt fame and money) and Wikipedia kind of agrees.....
See what I did there - bold AND italic! Thanks Jo Jo.
In reply to Fellas: I think we need to… by tommybanana
Jojo, not Jo Jo (and BTW in German pronouced like Yoyo)
In reply to Jojo, not Jo Jo (and BTW in… by Jojo-Schmitz
Sorry JoJo....! YOYO!
In reply to Sorry JoJo....! YOYO! by tommybanana
Still wrong 😉
In reply to Still wrong 😉 by Jojo-Schmitz
Jojo .... we need to do some work.....
In reply to Jojo .... we need to do some… by tommybanana
Anyway.....I, also, am enjoying MU4. Fortunately for me, it has nothing to do with whatever the above words may or may not mean. I compose music. That means that I ju.....Oh wait. Am I copying what is in my head? Or am I transcribing it? I might be arranging. Great. Thanks, guys. Now I have no idea what I'm doing. Pretty normal, really. Nope, I'm just gonna do what I do. The result is what I care about.