second voice struggle
I have being trying to input an old scroll I have into MS. Yet, am failing on this part (attached).
Does anyone have an idea how this can be added? When entering the second voice (1/4), under the first three 16-ths, it sticks directly under the second 1/16. Why?
A similar problem occurs, on the 5/32s. Here I unless I select 1/32 for the second voice, it doesn't overlap w the above 1/32 note. Why?
Or can those be a triplet and a quintet? Even so I tired, but here I can't enter a second voice at all, when pressing alt+2 after having selected for example the second 1/26 (in the first three 1/16s)
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Comments
Perhaps it can be done without using tuplets at all?
![Suggestion.png]( "Suggestion.png")
You can place a rest before and after the notes in Voice 1:
The steps are shown in the attached example score.
In reply to Perhaps it can be done… by DanielR
Thanks that looks better, but the first three are 1/16s and not 1/32s. as result I have a 1/8 rest which doesn't belong to the melody and time signature.
Another question I have, when looking at the paper scroll the second voice under high A and Bb (second and third of those three 1/16th ) is between them. Is this some sort of style or does this affect the playing?
In reply to Thanks that looks better,… by traditions
This is the problem with old manuscript. They did what ever they wanted whether it adds up or not. Which this doesn't. You can make it look close, but it won't play.
![8-12.png]( "8-12.png")
In reply to This is the problem with old… by bobjp
" They did what ever they wanted whether it adds up or not."
Absolutely! And this is why we can't draw conclusions from the spacing and positioning of the notes in this old edition:
![Original_score.png]( "Original_score.png")
MuseScore makes a real effort to keep the spacing more consistent:
![Sixteenth_note_count.png]( "Sixteenth_note_count.png")
In reply to " They did what ever they… by DanielR
And that won't play correctly either because of the rest at the end of the measure. The piece goes on.
In reply to " They did what ever they… by DanielR
Huge Thanks for sharing this as well!
After the whole time I spent on that task, it helps indeed :)
In reply to This is the problem with old… by bobjp
May I have this MS file? I get it's wrong, but for the sake of learning, I'd like to see how you've managed do it.
In reply to May I have this MS file? I… by traditions
Mine?
In reply to Mine? by bobjp
yes, this part. It's MS-written, isn't it?
In reply to yes! :) by traditions
OK> Good luck.
Measure number
9 Flip voice 1 stems and then voice 2 stems.
These things do not always hold their position if there are certain kinds of changes to the score. So I don't know how worth while this is.
In reply to OK> Good luck. Measure… by bobjp
bobjp - thaaaank you!
I was missing the offset (shift right). And it worked now perfectly.
I have one more, rather theoretical question.
If I create a 1/8 note and then make out of it a triplet of 16ths, why am I not able to create the second voice out of any of it's triplet notes?
What's the rule , which MS is following here?
In reply to bobjp - thaaaank you! I was… by traditions
Indeed. Triplets are a problem. If you select the entire triplet and try to make it voice 2, it doesn't work. However if you select the triplet and go to Tools>voices>Exchange voices 1-2, then the triplet will change to voice 2. Doesn't work with individual notes of the triplet. That's all I know.