Lyrics, Welsh language

• Aug 2, 2012 - 19:41

As a Welsh person I am finding it impossible to correctly put lyrics in the Welsh language into my work.

As an example there are these two lines

Pan y byddo’r byd ar dân,
A’r utgorn mawr a gân,
Both of them have an accent on characters but there are many more. Now if I was able to cut and past from a word document that would solve the problem..

Wena D. Parry

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• Aug 2, 2012 - 20:30

Sounds like maybe you don't know about the text symbol palette that comes up if you press F2 while entering text. You should find "most" accented characters needed for "most" European languages there. And if there is a character you need that you don't see, copy / paste of syllables from other programs *does* work.

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• Aug 2, 2012 - 21:11

Hi Wena!

Would you be interested in providing a Welsh translation for the MuseScore software and website :)?

We can also try to sort your problem with the characters.

Let us know what you think!

Thanks

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• Aug 2, 2012 - 21:54

I posted a link for different language characters and accents in one of the other threads that you had posted in but it's worth repeating and also here is one method that I have tried:

Go to this site:
//welsh.typeit.org/

Type in your sentence using standard keyboard characters and click on the letters in the palette when you need Welsh characters. In MuseScore, click on the first note and type [Ctrl]-l to start lyrics entry. Go back to the web page, select your lyrics and type [Ctrl]-c to copy. Go back to MuseScore and press [Ctrl]-v several times and the words will be pasted in. To avoid problems with words of more than one syllable, separate each syllable with a hyphen and space thus:

Words of more than one syll- a- ble.

When you paste this into MuseScore it will put one syllable to each note, If you don't put in the hyphen and the space then it will put one word to each note. You will need to experiment (a lot) and I would advise copying and pasting small parts of lyrics first rather than a whole song.

Ultimately, though, it would pay to learn the keyboard shortcuts appropriate for your operating system and computer.

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• Aug 2, 2012 - 22:31

Thank you underquark I will look that up.

And chen lung I will have to find some one to prof read my writing for a job like that, however, I will do my best.

I have 6 books that I am working on now.

Wena D. Parry

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• Aug 3, 2012 - 06:59

Hey Wena,

I've enabled the Welsh translation for musescore.org and granted you rights to translate the site into Welsh. Now, you're not obliged to take on this task at all, as it takes quite some time and dedication to get the job done,

So how does it work? Let's start with something small and simple

  • Go to http://musescore.org/en/node/1 and click on the translate tab
  • Then seek for the Welsh language and hit the "add translation" link
  • Now replace the title and the text by its Welsh translation, but leave the special markup in
  • Finally, when you're done, hit save
  • Then go to http://musescore.org/cy and check out your work

Before I let you give it a try, could you tell me what the Welsh translation is for "Free music composition & notation software"?

Thanks!

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• Aug 2, 2012 - 23:21

You mention, "Now if I was able to cut and past from a word document that would solve the problem.."

It works for me (tested using Microsoft Word 2010 and MuseScore 1.2 on Windows XP). I used your sample text.

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• Aug 3, 2012 - 09:41

Thank you David, I will give that a test, Like you I have Windows XP and MuseScore 1.2, That will be extremely useful but in particular to do the second and other verses underneath the score. I have not discovered how to do that to date.

Thank you again David

Wena D. Parry

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• Aug 3, 2012 - 13:10

If you are not in Lyrics entry mode, double click the first syllable of Verse 1. Press enter to open a line for Verse 2.

To move up or down to a different verse to edit a lyric press CTRL+UP or CTRL+DN.

To move forwards or backwards between syllables press SPACE to go forwards and SHIFT+SPACE to go backwards.

You don't need to be at the end of a word to do either of the above.

More info here http://musescore.org/en/handbook/lyrics

and here http://musescore.org/en/handbook/keyboard-shortcuts (scroll down to Lyric entry).

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• Aug 3, 2012 - 14:32

Thanks Myer, I didn't explain very well, I wanted to put two verses of lyrics underneath the music script. Separated from the script.

In the thread on So-fa you had done so in one of my tutorial and that is what I want, one verse in the script and the others at the bottom.

I have also cheated a little in entering a space of lyrics in a Chant example on the other forum. to create an appearance of a space I have entered a fullstops as there are several words to one note in some bars. The full stop can hardly be seen. Also there was very little space between the upper score and the base as the notes reached down below bottom "C" so I used the normal way of starting a lyric but only added a full stop just to give myself space. It worked well, if I am going printing that score I can easily delete the dost in another software.

However, if there is a proper way in MuseScore I will use that, if not, that's no problem.

If anyone want's to look at the results the its on the thread "So-fa.

Wena

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• Aug 3, 2012 - 15:35

Ctrl+Space enters a space into the lyrics text
Ctrl+- enters a hyphen (-) into the lyrics text

To enter text below the score use Stave Text. Select a note or rest at the bottom of the score. CTRL+T enters Text mode. Type the first few letters and then click away from the text. You can now drag the text to the space below the score. Double click it to re-enter Text edit mode. Format it with the enter key at the end of each line. Use other items such as text size and font by selecting all or part of your text and then applying the style.

When you're happy with the layout click out of it again and drag it to the exact position you require.

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• Aug 14, 2012 - 15:12

David you say you can drag and drop text from MS Word document, I have attempted it and failed -- do you have any explanation. I have attempted it with using a Frame but that did not work.

I am using MusceScrore 1.4 with a Windows Xp Operating System.

Can you explain exactly how you do that, please. It would be so helpful as I have the whole lyrics written up and corrected.

Wena

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• Aug 14, 2012 - 21:54

Yes, again, as has been said, after creating the frame, you have to right click it and choose "add text" from he resulting popup menu. It looks like you have successfully created the frame in your screen shot, but you haven't right clicked it yet.

Again, the bottom lone is simple : if you can type text, you can paste. If you can't type text, you can't paste. Once you figure out how to get to a place where you can type text, you will be able to paste.

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• Aug 15, 2012 - 15:45

So you are saying if you get to a place where are typing text, and you type

"This is some text" and then immediately - without clicking anything anywhere to cause the box you are typing into to lose focus - you hit Ctrl-V, the contents or you clipboard are not pasted in? And you have verified that the text really is there in your clipboard by pasting it into some other program? I've never heard of such a thing, so I'm still guessing you are somhow not doing it right.

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• Jun 15, 2013 - 14:54

I have come across the need to enter Em or En's in with lyrics (the one long --). I don't mean the space between a sylabul.
Is there a way to so without leaving to go to another program. For example would it be possible to add in some haw as a script, not that I am able to write a script.

Wena D. Parry

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• Jun 15, 2013 - 15:57

Many OS's & keyboards allow you to enter special character directly using character codes or others means. For instance, on many Windows keyboards, Alt+0xxx will enter character code xxx (you usually have to use the numeric keypad to enter the digits). So you'd just have to figure out what character code corresponds to the type of dash you want in the particular font you are using.

If you can settle for an ordinary hyphen, Ctrl-hyphen will enter one.

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• Jun 15, 2013 - 18:37

At present I am using my laptop and there is no numeric keypad on it. I will look into that, when I am doing word processing in MS I can produce an EM by entering a space then two hyphen and a space and both will merge into one long one.
I will look for a code and a way of entering one. The one solution I have had is to produce a Word file with all the characters that I might need the from Musecore open the word file and copy the character and past it in to the lyrics box.

Thanks again.

Wena.

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• Jun 15, 2013 - 18:46

Sometimes keyboards that don't have a physical numeric keypad will have a "virtual" one you access by pressing Fn & some other keys. Look to see if you have any keys (eg, the letter J, K, and L) that are also loabelled with small numbers, indicating that Fn + that key will give you the number.

Copy and paste is likely to work too.

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