Text Frame Problem
ON my Anasazi opera, Act II. File @6: I am trying to create a Text frame to be able to enter numbers by instrument names, Flute 1-2, Ob.. 1-2 etc.. I always did this before with Staff text, which woefully can disappear if you do a condensed score, Text in a text frame, I understand, is permanent in the Layout..However, when I selected a measure and added frame text, it changed the layout--stretched out the previous page. I did type the 1-2 numbers within the text frame, which appears above the the flutes, and I did select and drag them to appear beside the flutes. But when I then deleted the text frame, the numbers vanished, and the layout returned to normal. (I need the numbers AND the normal layout.) I see in the Handbook on frames that you can select a frame, and then do stuff with the Inspector. But how do I access the Inspector from the selected frame? I did get some kind of inspector thing, but it did not show me commands to decrease the width of the text frame or anything, as the Handbook says you can do.
Please sse Attachment , pg. 2-4.(Frame is on pg. 4 at the top.)
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| ACT_II_File_#6_p_v_score_pg_183-204___full_score_pg_304-350.mscz | 130.59 KB |
Comments
I believe the best way to do this would be to change the instrument Short Name to Fl 1-2 etc. If this a temporary change then the best thing to do would be to add another instrument and hide empty staves. To keep a line with nothing but rests from being hidden, insert a staff text and make it invisible if not needed otherwise. Since your score is basically finished, you know which measures need this text (one measure per line). In the case of no text being needed, you can ctrl-click a few measures and then double click staff text from the text palette. Select each added text and press V to make it invisible.
I realize this is a very long score. If you are not going to turn it into an album, then it doesn't matter if one file has more instruments than another. If you are going to use the album feature to turn it into a single PDF, this probably is not the best way, because each score has to have the same instruments in the same order to function properly. I'll think of alternatives while I wait to hear your reply.
@delhud2, I did an experiment with the horizontal frame (and Ctrl+T). It is not easy to align the text, but you can have a look.
In reply to @delhud2, I did an experiment by Shoichi
Surprise, something by Beethoven. I think I will drop the idea of using text frames. Thanks for your reply, though. Del
Thank You for your reply.
A lot of complicated stuff. Right now all I want to do is get Fl 1-2 in etc. I am not sure how I would go back to Set up score, or enter instrument names, etc. This File @6 begins with full names. As far as I know, those could not be deleted and replaced with short names, that would delete the entire score in essence. As for Album, yes, I had planned on doing that, but I think that will be another thread to start at some point on my part. I am not planning on doing Hide empty Staves for this file or the last file #7 in the work. having a condensed score might come up in the future if some conductor wants one for a study score or something.
In reply to Thank You for your reply. A by delhud2
ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN HELP ;WITH THIS FILE? My File @6 has gotten so messed up in the early pages that this is the worst problem I have ever had I think on this whole opera score being saved as a 2.0.3 from 1.3! Please see attachment. This file also is NOT really corrupted. When the layout is right, it has NO corruptions. Anyway, on pg. 9of this file (total pg. 330) stuff gets displaced and is completely wacko. This is after selecting the breaks and deleting them. L(All) which needs to be done. This seems to be what causes the wackoness to happen. THis file was sent from my Memory Stick to be worked on. The original in the M.S, is OK, but i can't use it for printing, as it has not been corrected yet.and has the usual errors from the 1.3 being uploaded to 2.0.3 I am now giving up on this. Have spent 10 hours on it today. Any help would be appreciated. (I have tried Ctrl Restore etc. did not help)
In reply to ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN by delhud2
For your file's early version, see top of this topic.
:)
In reply to ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN by delhud2
You don't have a PDF of this from before you transferred it do you? I see several problems that are pretty routine. I doesn't look as bad as it sounds to me.
In reply to You don't have a PDF of this by mike320
NO PDF. i was going to do that as the last step before I printed it. Will see, maybe tomorrow I cannot work on this file any more today. Thank YOU--I do hope the problem Is routine!
In reply to NO PDF. i was going to do by delhud2
I'll work with you. You can contact me directly so I can ask some questions rather than cluttering up the forum.
In reply to ANYONE OUT THERE THAT CAN by delhud2
To change an instrument name, simply right click it, Staff Properties, and edit it in the resulting dialog.
In reply to To change an instrument name, by Marc Sabatella
Thanks. I knew that but had forgotten. As usual, i got the most practical, direct advice from you!
Anyway,, It came to me to start all over with this file #6 from my MS 1.3 files. I removed the Line breaks present in those originals before I opened it and saved it as a MS 2.0.3 file. It appears the weird problems with layout, etc are solved. So I am working with that now. As you said once, it seems better just to let MS decide on the layout without the special breaks. (Ordinarily).
In reply to Thanks. I knew that but had by delhud2
Many of the layout problems in the score you uploaded have to do with hairpins (crescendos, diminuendos and trills) wondering around. You can right click one then select all similar items then click the black arrow next to the horizontal offset to put them closer to where they belong. For some reason these like to wonder left and right rather than up and down.
In reply to Many of the layout problems by mike320
Yes, it's often a Lines problem. Will take your Reply under advisement, instead of fixing each one individually. Also, the trill lines get displaced, especially on the Timpani rolls (I use those instead of tremolos) for some reason!
In reply to Yes, it's often a Lines by delhud2
I see more trils for timpani rolls than tremolos. Those can be fixed the same way.
The longs slurs that look wrong would be best if you just delete them, then click the first note, shift click the last and reapply them. You currently have them anchored to the first and second note of the phrase, then dragged to look like they cover the entire phrase. This leads to them not looking right when the score is redrawn with different line breaks. You can apply them to several staves at once in measures such as 23 where the first 3 instruments have the same slurs. Click the first flute note then shift click the last Clarinet note, a slur will show up on each line.
In reply to I see more trils for timpani by mike320
All this is the least of my problems right now again. Maybe I do not understand what it means actually to save score changes, then when you want to close the file, it says do you wish to save changes,, I say yes, then it says" this file already exists, do you want to replace it", then if I don't say yes it won't let me close the file. So then I have been saying "yes" to replace so it will close the file. BUT: Something weird has been happening today MORE trouble with file #6. I have named my final printing file FINAL FOR PRINTING, and was correcting it, such as putting in the right brackets, etc. for the groups of instruments and saving every. (I have a short time anyway for things to be automatically saved by MS. Then to close, I have to say yes to " do you wish to replace this file" that already exists. But the weird thing is, when I return to my Printing final file, open it again later, the changes are NOT there. And the changes are found in another file, that still says the file is corrupted! In this whole operatic file thing I have NEVER had this much trouble. i realize this may not be a problem specific to MS, but I still need to know what's going on in reAltion to MS files! aND To Mike,, I do not feel I am" cluttering up" the Forum. I am a paying member.
In reply to All this is the least of my by delhud2
There is no such thing as a paying member, not in musescore.org at least :-)
In reply to There is no such thing as a by Jojo-Schmitz
Then why does MS do automatic withdrawals monthly on my checking acct?
In reply to Then why does MS do automatic by delhud2
This most probably is for your pro account on musescore.com, this does not entitle you for special super extra support in the musescore.org forums.
In reply to This most probably is for by Jojo-Schmitz
Well anyway, mike 320 has kindly offered to advise me privately by private e-mail. In my question today about replacing an existing score/saving etc. I diligently searched the MS Handbook and did not find anything pertaining to my question. (Maybe I missed it?)
In reply to This most probably is for by Jojo-Schmitz
Thank You for your thought on this. i will limit things more. I would like to take this opportunity to express my appreciation and gratitude for Musescore in general, and all the fine help from the MS Forum.
Sincerely, Delhud2
In reply to Thank You for your thought on by delhud2
@delhud2. I don't know if it is an orthodox way, see if page 303/305 is acceptable (V.17 / 03/28)
In reply to @delhud2. I don't know if it by Shoichi
Yes, those pages are OK, thank you. Right now those are not a problem with this file, I am working on getting changes saved. (See thread)
In reply to Thank You for your thought on by delhud2
You can feel free to ask all the questions you like on the forum. When I posted my suggestion to contact me personally it wasn't really that I didn't want you annoying the people on the forum it was more to get you help faster than post, wait, post... If you contacted me personally I was going to tell you what I had discovered in you score and what I had done so far to fix it. With the exception of you large text boxes that I don't know what you want to do with, I think I had all but about 4 measures fixed when I posted the suggestion.
In reply to You can feel free to ask all by mike320
Sorry about the misunderstanding about exactly what you meant. I did send you an e-mail yesterday.
In reply to You can feel free to ask all by mike320
mike 320,Please see attachment. This is not a file management problem. I was going to send it to you on the e-mail, but don't see a way to attach it there, so here it is on the Forum. Can you please tell me why, when I make changes to this File, they do not save? When I reopen the file to check, the changes are NOT there. But they do appear on another file, a file that does not even have the same name and is corrupted! ??? My 1.3 file of this is fine. I could print from it, but at some point, when parts are extracted, etc. this needs to be a MS 2.0.3 file for the newer features on parts
correction, etc.
In reply to mike 320,Please see by delhud2
Again, in order to help, we'd need a precise step by step description of the problem. But I am pretty sure this *is* a file management problem. The file you attach is a 1.3 score, not a 2.0.3 score. That means when you go to save it from within MuseScore, it will not want to overwrite the original, nor should you force it to. So you would normally be saving it under a different name. Meaning that of course if you later load that original file again, it won't show the change. You would need to load the version you just saved.
But if you think otherwise, feel free to give *precise* step by step instructions to reproduce the problem. It worked just fine for me when I tried it.
Again, I really thinking finding someone more savvy with Windows who can sit nxt to you and guide you through the basics of how files and folders work, how save and save as work, etc - this would save you *enormous* amounts of frustration. None of this is remotely unique to MuseScore - all Windows programs work the same basic way in this respect.
In reply to Again, in order to help, we'd by Marc Sabatella
I have been studying your reply, and do see that it may be a file management problem. I will work on this. Be assured though, that I have had the basic tutorials on Windows Vista files,I know how to created folders, etc. though by no means am I an expert! I never meant to blame MS for any of this stuff. Here are the steps:
Step 1) open the Act II. File #6 final for printing file. (which was already a MS 2.0.3 file,the 1.3 file having been opened and saved in 2.0.3 previously)
#2) make the changes to the score/file, which are saved
3) go to File and click on close
4) MS wants to know save changes?
5) I click save , than MS says this file already exists, do you want to replace it?
6) then I have to click yes or discard changes for the file to close.
7) Then I reopen the SAME file, and there are NO changes, File remains the same as before
Does this help you figure out anything? (And of course I do NOT want to discard the changes!)
I think you may have already answered this, then one of your replies. U think I did not see the file as a 1.3 file still?
Thank You
In reply to I have been studying your by delhud2
This is indeed a 1.3 file. My first clue was when I tried to save it using Ctrl+S or File / Save. If it were a 2.0.3 file, it would have just saved with no further action needed. But this was not the case - instead it popped up a file dialog prompting me for a file name and location. That's the dead giveaway this was an imported file (either from 1.3, or from some totally different format like MIDI or MusicXML). So already your step 2 doesn't make sense to me - when you say your changes were saved, the question is *where* - what folder and filename did you give when the dialog appeared? Also, at step 3, if you had successfully saved the file, you would not have been prompted to do so again. So I am guessing you did *not* in fact save your changes at step 2. Meaning, at step 6, if you don't click "yes", then indeed your changes were never saved. And it appoears that is exactly what happened - you must have chosen "discard" or esle your 1.3 file would have been overwritten and become a 2.0.3 file. I know this didn't happen, because the file you attached is still a 1.3 file.
So at step 2, you should have saved your changes then. But if you forgot to, then at step 6, you need to either choose "yes" to overwrite the file, or - and this is a better idea for you, I think - choose a *different* filename or folder so you don't overwrite your original.
The other possibility is that at step 6, you actually gave it a *different* filename and/or folder, and *that* is what got overwritten. That's why it is import to pay attention to exactly what folder and filename you are actually saving to. And then be sure to load *that* next time.
In reply to This is indeed a 1.3 file. by Marc Sabatella
I hate to bother you on this, but I did try saving at step 6 more than once. Also funny, is that this file is no. 13 of a total of 14 opera files. the previous 12 files were all done the same way, from 1.3 to 2+and I never had any saving problems on them. ?! As for step 2, I did save, and anyway, I have MS set on automatic saving after a very short time lapse after entering/changing something. I will keep studying what you already said though. If something does not work today on this File #6, I am giving up on it for the first time on any thing I have done on MS. I will just go back to the 1.3 file and print. Only joker on this though, is that eventually it would need to be a 2+ file since the other files in the opera are 2+ and I imagine that could cause a hitch for the printer later on if I did Suite; also, you told me MS 2.0.3 has corrections features on parts extraction which 1.3 does not have.
I will try on step 6 choosing a different filename/folder and see if that works to save changes, as you suggest. I am hoping for the best. Later Edit: i just remembered I did try giving it a different file name at step 6 and it must have been overwritten. (Never saw it again.) On step 2, I thought you just clicked on SAVE under File, and stuff would be saved. I did not give it a where or a name, as I recall now. I will work on this before officially giving up and moving on to other work.
LATER EDIT; i did try something new, I opened the file did 2 changes, and chose Save as "Final for printing copy 1", a new name for it, and closed it. I reopened the SAME file immediately, and the changes WERE saved. However, it had gone to a corrupted version of File 6, which is totally messed up beginning on pg 311! I remember this happened before, but could not have been for the same reason, as I had not done save as before with new filename. Please see attachment. If you do not have any more time for this, I will try to work with mike320 by e-mail and see how that goes..
In reply to I hate to bother you on this, by delhud2
@delhud2, the file that I am attaching (pg_304-350V170330) is saved with version 2.0.3 (Windows)
Small cosmetics, but: check near the measures 68/70 and 198/200.
Too many slurs/ties and tremolos between pages and text anchored and then moved?
In reply to @delhud2, the file that I am by Shoichi
Please understand that I am working with mike 320 and Marc to try to resolve a major problem with this completely messed up file. Can't work on small cosmetics until and unless file is fixed. I may have to just go back to the original MS 1.3 file and print from there. The 1.3 file is fine, the 2.0.3 isn't. Beginning about pg 310-311 if you look, you will see what I mean. Worst problem I have EVER had on MS. Thanks Del
In reply to Please understand that I am by delhud2
[deleted, now I see the 2.0.3 file, and can confirm the corruption, see my other response below]
In reply to @delhud2, the file that I am by Shoichi
To Shoichi :Thank you, but if you look at pages 310-311 You will see the messed up terrible stuff. And it's corrupted, but the true proper file is not really corrupted, and opens fine with no corruption normally. But when you make changes, then save and close, . when you reopen the SAME file, it morphs into a corrupted version, though it DOES have the changes present!
In reply to To Shoichi :Thank you, but if by delhud2
Are you referring to the elements highlighted in the image?
I tried to correct them. You must restore the ties/slurs.
(V170331 is saved with 2.0.3)
In reply to Are you referring to the by Shoichi
No, the actual music is split up See the Three Priestesses, not even singing in synch, totally displaced stuff, and the Playback sounds like some avante garde composer like John Adams (opera composer.) The playback plays it back as a mess also.
In reply to No, the actual music is by delhud2
See my reply here: https://musescore.org/en/node/184851#comment-688086
In that, I explain how to fix this in a matter of seconds, just by adding a time signature to the 1.3 file before saving in 2.0.3.
In reply to I hate to bother you on this, by delhud2
Auto-save is fine, but it *never* overwrites your original file. It creates special versions of your score that can be used to recover your work in the event of a crash, but these have nothing to do with the files you create yourself. So if you havem't explicitly saved the file yourself, your changes will not be seen.
At step 2, if you are saying you are truly saving the file (not simply relying on autosave) then MuseScore should be displaying a dialog prompting for a folder and filename. And you would then have to choose whether to save this as a new file or overwrite the original. but it is quite clear from your description you are *not* choosing to actually save the file here, or else you would not also be prompted to save again when closing the file.
As per your later edit, I don't understand what you mean when you "it had gone to a corrupted version of file 6". When you save and give it a new name, no other file on your system plays any role whatsoever. Doesn't matter if there are other corrupted versions of the file present. The file you posted is indeed corrupted, and I can see now this does happen if you laod the 1.3 file then save it. So there is a bug to be sorted out here. You might want to start a new thread on that topic.
In reply to Auto-save is fine, but it by Marc Sabatella
OK. I WILL START A NEW THREAD. (i WILL BEGIN BY JUST ATTACHING THE ORIGINAL 1.3 FILE FIRST.)
In reply to Auto-save is fine, but it by Marc Sabatella
Another clue perhaps,
Very strange: When I have closed the file I was making change to,and either said yes to replace the already existing file, or given the file anew name and saved, and then to check on it I go to reopen the SAME file, it is NOT at the top of the MS OPEN RECENT list to the right. It is ONE DOWN from the top, and at the TOP s the "bad"corrupted file that intrudes. (I have deleted most of the bad versions of this file from scores/documents, but there could be one or two left around.) Always, the most recent file I have been working on in MS is found at the TOP of the most recent list, not one DOWN. And the "bad" file HAS the changes I made present, when you cllck on Ignore corruptions to see it! The good file does NOT show ANY changes. The bad file is a .msgz (Or whatever it is) file type, the type you cannot open with MS.??? It seems like 2 separate files are going on here.
In reply to Another clue perhaps, Very by delhud2
Again, this seems like a problem best resolved by finding someone with Windows experience to stand beside you as you work to help. It's too hard to diagnose remotely when we can't see what you are seeing *when* you are seeing it and to help direct you step by step through the process based on what you see.
In reply to Again, in order to help, we'd by Marc Sabatella
I will go over the Windows Vista tutorials again on this. Not as nice as a real person, but----
In reply to All this is the least of my by delhud2
Without seeing a precise step by step description of precisely what you are doing it's hard to say what you might be doing wrong. And realistically, I don't think it would be that productive for you to try to write up a detailed description - it would be hard for you to know which details are relevant and which are not
To me, it sounds like you are fighing basic file manage issues - nothing specific to MuseScore, just a question of understanding better how files, folders, and drives work together. Same sorts of issues I rememebr you talking about with respect to flash drives. None of this has anything to do with MuseScore specifically; it's all about how *you* choose to manage your storage on your computer, and right now it sounds like you aren't quite accomplishing what you want,. If I were you, I would consider finding someone in your area you is more computer-savvy - an experienced Windows user - to sit beside you while you do these things so they can see what you are doing and give you better / quicker advice. They wouldn't have to know anything about MuseScore, just be really familiar with Windows in general and how files, folders, and drives work together.
In reply to Without seeing a precise step by Marc Sabatella
Yes, a personal trainer would be nice!