Minim tremolo with beam styling
Priority
P1 - High
Type
Functional
Frequency
Many
Severity
S5 - Suggestion
Status
closed
Regression
No
Workaround
No
Project
Here are 2 issues I've found that would be solved by doing so:
#5473: Ability to change the direction of a tremolo between 2 notes
#13556: Tremolo incorrectly placed visually
Besides, that's how it's done in normal printed music: the length and orientation of the beam depends on the notes.
See Wikipedia
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The only modification would be that there should be a little separation between the vertical stem and the beam, except if the tremolo is in 2/4 notes, in which case it's treated as a completely normal beam.
Thanks!!
Fix version
3.6.0
Comments
P.S.
Lilypond does it right:
test
Something we should be considering
From what I see in page 226 of 'Behind Bars' (three images), it is another way for tremolo to be presented.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
See also https://musescore.org/en/node/63456
See also https://musescore.org/en/node/64111
See also https://musescore.org/en/node/67246
Could someone please post an instruction how to do it? That would be very kind.
kae
It is not yet implemented
Came up again in https://musescore.org/en/node/63456#comment-788441
Came up again https://musescore.org/en/node/278959
Really, shouldn't this be 3.0 now? It's not possible in any version of Musescore.
True, but it got first reported for 2.1
To support this suggestion, here's a few measures from a Barenreiter urtext - the authoritative, most correct version - of a public domain score. I received it a few days ago, it's copyrighted 2018. So I'm pretty sure it was edited this year.
![minim.jpg]()
![tremolo.jpg]()
MS currently simply cannot do these.
Came up again - https://musescore.org/en/node/279756
Came up again in https://musescore.org/en/node/280119
I will be considering this in the next few days. What I've come up with: a tag of
<style>in MuseScore file, being able to write/read/edit it in the inspector, and if it's beam style then layout like beam (not sure how to do this though, including the Beam class in the tremolo.cpp?). Another questionable thing: this beam style is only available for minim tremolo, so should a new "Minim tremolo" inspector UI be created having the tick-box or combo-box of style-choosing? Just like fermata is separated from other articulations.In reply to To support this suggestion,… by Laurelin
@Laurelin, can't the quaver tremolo styled as those in your second picture be created in 3.2.3? I can't verify right now but shouldn't this be the normal style created using the normal way?
Note that this 'beam' style tremolo, only applies to the out-most of these tremolo lines, not to all of them, unlike the beams for 16th and shorter notes.
In reply to Note that this 'beam' style… by Jojo-Schmitz
Pardon? What did you mean "all of them"?
There are several types of tremolos with different numbers of bars/beams.
On those with more than one, only the one farthest away from notehead is looking like a beam in one of those old style notations.
So we actually need 3 modes, modern none as beam, old one as beam and old all as beam.
In reply to There are several types of… by Jojo-Schmitz
Oh! So the tremolos in the second photo are actually four-line, not three!
Three modes, one specialized for minim tremolo, one specialized for quaver tremolo. Am I right?
not specialized on minin/quaver, but on whether or not have only the top or all lines as beams I think, indepedant of the note durations
In reply to not specialized on mininim… by Jojo-Schmitz
Not exactly, crotchet tremolo cannot be anything like beam, because that would make the crotchets look like quavers. And whole note tremolo cannot switch as well, that's obvious ;-)
Not sure, maybe more investigation into historical notation is needed here
See also https://www.mu-sig.de/Theorie/Notation/Notation08.htm
In reply to Not sure, maybe more… by Jojo-Schmitz
OK, seems like crotchet tremolo can still be like a beam... I assume I would never use that kind of notation though.
It went out of fashion for a reason ;-)
In reply to It went out of fashion for a… by Jojo-Schmitz
But I guess it should still be supported in a notation software... it was not that ambiguous actually, you can tell what it means by looking at its time stretch.
See https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/5612. Note that this only supports the "all lines attached to stem" style.
Fixed in branch master, commit db7c5560ce
_Merge pull request #5612 from Howard-C/minim-tremolo
Support "all lines attached to stem" beam style of tremolo (partially fix #18897)_
Automatically closed -- issue fixed for 2 weeks with no activity.
Not completely fixed yet, not until https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/6472 is merged.
Fixed in 3.6.0. Now that PRs are merged by rebase-and-merge, issues will not get closed if only the PR titles have "fix #xxxxxx" :(
That "fix #18897" had to be in the commit title all the way and is documented that way in the developers' handbook, that it works in the PR title too was never meant to happen.
In reply to That "fix #18897" had to be… by Jojo-Schmitz
Yeah, I was used to the extra "Merge pull request..." commit
Would you mind changing the fix version to 3.6.0?
Wasn't aware that this requires special powers?
In reply to (No subject) by Jojo-Schmitz
I'm aware, that's why I asked you to do that
Also I think we can take this down from the 3.5 release notes, it wasn't completely solved by then. Or mark it as a partial fix.
Which you did meanwhile ;-)
Automatically closed -- issue fixed for 2 weeks with no activity.