Cross Staff Notes
I tried utilising cross-staff, but it didn't seem to do anything. Is what's in the image achievable?
I saw this , but I don't know if it's the same.
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What you want is not cross-staff but writing in one clef in separate voices (stem up for right hand, stem down for left hand). I see this notation in choral accompaniment a lot. Write the up-stem in one voice, the down-stem in the other, use a line to link the top stave to bottom stave and make the remaining rests in the treble invisible.
In reply to What you want is not by schepers
No - in this instance he wants cross staff
In reply to No - in this instance he by ChurchOrganist
I don't see why as no beam is crossing staves. Both approaches work but yours means writing the up-stem notes in a different place first then shifting them, mine means cleaning up the rests after.
In reply to What you want is not by schepers
Hmm - for some reason I can't edit the last post :(
I use cross staff a lot in keyboard music as it keeps the polyphony intact, and allows a tenor or alto voice to meander between top and bottom staves without losing identity.
In reply to Hmm - for some reason I can't by ChurchOrganist
I'm not being dense but I don't see what the difference is between the two approaches. Both result in the same score, both should playback the same way.
In reply to I'm not being dense but I by schepers
They do both work, so in that sense, it doesn't matter which way you do it. However, there is no doubt the cross staff method is more "musically correct", and also easier in most cases.
I say "musically correct", because presumably this really is a single musical voice that happens to cross staves. If this were being arranged for (or reduced from) an ensemble of wind or string instruments playing one note at a time each, a single instrument would play the line that migrates from staff to staff. Conceptually, it really is a single line.
As for easier, if there is only one switching point, and you know in advance exactly where it is and there is no chance of you ever changing your mind, then indeed, it will be about the same amount of effort either way. But more likely, the line will migrate back and forth a few times, and as you make refinements to the piece over the course editing, you might well change your mind about which staff to put any given note from the line in. That's where having done it as a single line with cross staff notation will pay off big time - a single click to move a note back to the other staff rather than a whole process of deleting notes, adding notes along with enough leading rests, and then hiding those new rests.
In reply to Hmm - for some reason I can't by ChurchOrganist
I think you can't edit a post once someone has replied to it.
What? Like this??
In reply to What? Like this?? by ChurchOrganist
Hi Michael
Yes, that's it :). How did you manage it?
In reply to Hi Michael Yes, that's it :). by chen lung
What goes wrong when you try it? I can create that using the same way as all cross staff notation: enter the notes in treble clef, select them one at a time, ctrl-shift-down. Maybe you were trying to select the whole measure at once?
In reply to What goes wrong when you try by Marc Sabatella
I can do it now, but using Command, Shift and Up/Down - I was drag-selecting the note, instead of clicking it.
In reply to I can do it now, but using by chen lung
As it also is on a PC, using Shift-Ctrl up/down arrow.
In reply to As it also is on a PC, using by schepers
My MacBook has both ctrl and command buttons, so I was trying to make a distinction.
In reply to My MacBook has both ctrl and by chen lung
The handbook http://musescore.org/en/handbook/cross-staff-beaming does show the correct key combo for the Mac.
In reply to The handbook by schepers
Yes - I was just clarifying what instructions I used in comparison to Marc's, but I should have said about the Mac :).