Dot on dotted half note obscured by second voice
I am transcribing a Mendelssohn duet that I want to transpose and, in the piano part there is a place in the treble staff where Voice-1 has a quarter note and Voice-2 has a dotted half note. The quarter note is covering up the dot on the half note. I can't seem to find a way to prevent this. I have tried reversing side of the stem on which the noteheads appear, but that doesn't seem to solve the problem. If I were writing this by hand, I would simply move the dot up a little bit (which is what they did in the original score); but that doesn't seem to be a possibility with MuseScore. Has anyone else run into this problem and how did you solve it?
I have attached an example with 4 measures I extracted from the piano part. The measure in question is the second measure, treble staff. (Note that I have reversed the stem directions on Voice-1 and Voice-II because Voice-2 comes in higher — it should be obvious why I did this if you look at the example.)
I have run into problems with the positioning of adjacent notes of different lengths in the different before and I am not good at getting them right. So any advice on dealing with similar issues would also be welcome.
Cheers
Jake Sterling
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Comments
Right after I posted the problem above, I tried switching the voice parts and it worked, I hadn't wanted to do that because I thought that, if I made the switch in just that one measure, it would mess up the way the notes were tied over the bar. However, I left everything the way it was and, highlighting just the measure in question, I used the Exchange Voice 1 & 2 command. It switched the voices so that the result looks and plays back exactly the same way, except that now the dot is in the correct place. If you are interested, you can see my revised example in the attachment.
In reply to a solution to the obscured dot by Jake Sterling
Jake, I had that problem yesterday and this sounds like the solution. Many thanks!
In reply to obscured half note by collierr
I tried switching voices and it worked. My problem was a dotted half note being obscured by a crotchet (both same notes, D).
What is strange is this: I would like the stem of the dotted half note to be up and the stem of the crotchet to be down - but it I do that, the dotted half note becomes obscured again by the crotchet? Any thoughts?
In reply to obscured half note by collierr
I tried out a sample to see if I could figure something out — but, no, I couldn't get the stems going in the right direction either. Sorry.
In reply to obscured half note by collierr
If you post the score you are having trouble with, I'll bet someone will be able to figure out a solution. I would bet just entering in the right voices then moving the notes manually (double click and arrow keys) will be the way to go, but it's hard to know without seeing the specific case.
I'd also like to see the score so I can try it in MuseScore 2.0 Beta 1 to see if the defaults are fixed. I'm betting they are, and the overlap will no longer be a problem. See http://musescore.org/en/node/25102. And feel free to try for yourself as well!
In reply to obscured half note by collierr
Marc Sabatella got it right. I didn't know about double clicking on a note to move it. Brilliant!
So, what you do is double click on the dotted note that has the obscured dot and then move it either left or right (depending on the situation) using the left and right Arrow keys. I am attaching an example. Dotted_note_test.mscz
In reply to Obscured dotted note solution by Jake Sterling
My thanks to Jake and Marc. I managed to double click and after some moving about, got what looks like the solution - i.e the crotchet (d) showing first, stem down, followed by the dotted half note (d) stem up. Until I did this, any attempt to have that sequence did not work properly. Either the dotted half note had the dot obscured or the stems were not as I wanted.
In the attachment I show an 'after' (Bar 5) and 'before' Bar (B2) to explain/demonstrate example.
Marc, I have not downloaded Musescore 2.0 yet, so I'm not sure whether or how the 'after' Bar (5)will appear there, if any better?
In reply to Obscured half note by collierr
when in doubt, try it out ;-)
In reply to when in doubt, try it out ;-) by Jojo-Schmitz
... and give feedback ;)
In reply to ... and give feedback ;) by Zynette
I am hoping to try it at some stage. But for now I sent the Example right away as Marc said he'd also like to see the score so he could try it in MuseScore 2.0 Beta.
In reply to Obscured half note by collierr
Thanks for posting! Here is how the "before" measure now looks loaded into 2.0 Beta 1 (once I removed the lyric "Before" that seems attached strangely and messed up the spacing between the last two quarters):
As you can see, not more need to manual adjust things, and in fact, 2.0 Beta 1 removes any manual adjustments you applied yourself - so your "after" measure actually looks exactly like this, too. There are many different valid standards that MuseScore could have used for deciding on the layout in these cases, but I elected to use the one that that suggests putting the upstem note to the left.
In reply to Thanks for posting! Here is by Marc Sabatella
Great Thanks. I'll try to get round to trying out musescore 2. soon. Should be interesting!