dotted F note in dotted notes chord G7
bass notation this chord allows only two dotted notes, not note F, on the MS 1.3 I downloaded to Mac osx 10.8 recently.
I have read the handbook, chased up a couple of links proffered by jojo schmitz without success. Aside from possibilities that proximate G note is displacing the F dot placement or that the F note line is, I haven't come up with an answer yet. It would be nice to see the missing dot as players can imagine.
Ideas would be very welcome.
Thank you.
ps: thks JS for the heads-up re posting
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Please show your score, you can attach it to a post here.
Best practice, as already mentioned, would be to post the .mscz file of your score.
However, I have attached an example showing four G7 chords comprised of five notes.
The first chord (in either clef) shows four dots - as MuseScore displays them. (The F and G dots are superposed.)
To get the fifth dot to show in the second chord, I dragged a dot from the Symbols Pallette (keyboard shortcut 'Z') into the score.
Is this what you mean? If not, you can use this attachment and enter whatever you wish to demonstrate.
Regards.
To Jojo schmitz,
Tks for indicating best practice. In future (should occasion arise) I'll be both able and willing to send a score. On this occasion the only problem in a very simple score was the one related. I shouldn't wish to bore folks with simplicity borne out of learning musecore notation methods/techniques viz what you already know full well.
It so happened that Jm6stringer sent staves chorded in G7 for both hands(attached) and I have chosen this to add my explanation of what was happening. Along with a suggestion or two:—
bar 6 shows what I get for the three note(B-F-G) dotted G7;
bar 7 reveals a duly dotted G note(I'm leaving off the B note because it is not involved)
bar 8 reveals a duly dotted F note
To wit, the F and G dots are in the same place with musescore notation.
As opposed to F dot being in the E space as per printed music and Jm6stringer's pertinent observation, and as shown by my dragging a dot from the symbols palette in bar 9.
However, without the relative speed of the keyboard shortcut 'z' with its more precise dot(qv bar 10) and anchoring string to a note on the staff, I'd figure superimpositions arising in longer scores could amount to inefficient nuisance.
Along with my thanks for such able assistance in this matter allow me suggest a convention that where a musescore score-writer/composer knows superimposition to have occurred then instead of 'correcting' with dot additions, state that a dotted root note shall apply such extended duration to other notes in the chord. Excepting arpeggio notes and broken chords of course.
With best wishes,
normanj
In reply to dotted F note in dotted notes chord G7 by normanj
...what you are trying to show in bars 9 and 10, as normally the F dot would go in the space above (the G space) for a single F note. Click on the note and enter a period - "."
Dragging a dot from the pallette(s) throws the timing off as each bar displays 4 beats instead of 3.
Regards...
Hi there Jm6stringer,
bars 9 and 10 were meant illustrate only the dots obtained from 'different' elements of the program. 9's was from the symbols section of side palettes; 10's from computer key 'z' which has a greater range of symbols.
You are, of course, correct in pointing out that as those notes stand, and dotted, then the rest appears change the timing.
The period "." looks a good idea being quicker and capable addition for all notes in a chord. In fact, when I tried placing a half-note in a 'spare' bar - say bass bar 4 - selecting it(blue) then typing a period, a good dotted note appeared. Thereafter, and immediately, placement of other notes to the chord resulted in further good dotting etc. Perhaps this method could replace the standard method where superimpositions are known to occur.
Regards
In reply to dotted F note in dotted notes chord G7 by normanj
Using the period is the standard method for dotted notes.
That is, in note entry mode, a dotted note is normally entered by clicking on the dot in the MuseScore Note Entry toolbar, or simply typing a period. Addition of chordal notes (eg. notes on the same stem) are automatically dotted.
The dot from the 'Z' palette (located next to the longa notes) would be used for the cases of dot superimposition - as in the G7 chord.
(By the way, you can actually reveal the hidden dot by double clicking on the G note head in the G7 chord, then pressing the right arrow key several times to move the G away from the F note, revealing the F dot.)
Regards...
Hi Jm6stringer,
Just received your latest response. Excellent. Clear as. Noted your early paragraph which says:—
"Using the period is the standard method for dotted notes.
That is, in note entry mode, a dotted note is normally entered by clicking on the dot in the MuseScore Note Entry toolbar, or simply typing a period.
Addition of chordal notes (eg. notes on the same stem) are automatically
dotted."
Words to this effect in the handbook would, I think, have eliminated much of my effort. So perhaps an edit there is called for. Why would I say this? Well, in using the Note Entry toolbar it appears intuitive to select both the note and dot together, so to say, before placing them on the staff. In doing this, and of course not realising that the dot so selected was but a period I was left with an inappropriate understanding of this aspect to musescore.
BTW. Much as I appeciate your how to find the missing dot(ie the superimposed) its 'missing' on the digital page (cf printed or sheet music) would still likely bother me. Others..?
But we are over this by now.. are we not?
REgards