Dynamics marks responding oddly
Hi, in my first measure, the first note plays quietly, despite the "f" mark, then on the second note the music jumps to a louder volume. That was the initial problem. On the rest of it, I started playing around with the dynamic marks, trying to see the outline of the problem. I set the treble at "p" or "mf" and the bass at "ppp" and both played "ppp". I changed the bass to p, had the treble at mf and it played OK in both lines. I put the bass at p and the treble at f and the treble played more like mf. And the overall range of the dynamics seems askew, too: If I play it so that I can hear the ppp, the ff nearly blows out my eardrums. If I reduce the volume so that the ff is tolerable, I cannot hear the ppp. I hope I have included the first several measures. (It says it is there, but will not play for me.)
Beth
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Ciao Beths, see: https://musescore.org/en/handbook/dynamics#range-for-dynamics-text
Some of your dynamics have different inspector settings. (there are also superimposed pedal symbols...)
In reply to Ciao Beths, see: https:/… by Shoichi
I don't understand your response, but I changed one thing I did understand, which was the superimposed pedal settings-- I un-superimposed them, but that had no effect on the playback. I have the dynamic marks set to Staff. I don't see what I can do in the link you sent that would clear up the problem. Can you go into more specific detail?
Beth
In reply to I don't understand your… by Beths
Maybe it's better to reread the previous conversation https://musescore.org/en/node/272677
Unfortunately I don't speak English but I see that others can explain you better.
I meant to say that (as from the link) some dynamics are set on part others on staff and I don't know if it's intentional.
HTH
In reply to Maybe it's better to reread… by Shoichi
The previous link that you just sent, the one where I was having some trouble, does not seem related-- in that one, I was under the impression that Velocity for dynamic marking was supposed to be set for zero. I did not do that in this case (having had it explained to me that zero means no sound). When I hit a dynamic mark and tell it to select all similar elements, it doesn't. I mean, it appears to, but if I set it to "staff", then come out and check each individual dynamic mark, a number of them will not be set to Staff, only the one I actually clicked on to set the command-- so the "select" command has no effect. But I don't know if that is related, because I went in and changed all of them individually to Staff and the music plays the same, choosing volumes that I don't want.
In reply to The previous link that you… by Beths
the selection could be misleading
Do you hear any differences?
In reply to Do you hear any differences? by Shoichi
Differences in what? And what is the little diagram for? Actually, this conversation is interesting, even though we do sometimes seem to be answering somebody else's questions, not each others', haha.
Beth
In reply to Differences in what? And… by Beths
It seems that the inconsistency is due to some dynamics have the dynamic range set to staff, while others are set to part. You can change this in all of the dynamics at once by right click a dynamic, choose Select>All similar items, then set the dynamic range to staff, which is what it seems you actually want. I do believe this is the bottom line of what Shoichi is trying to explain.
In reply to It seems that the… by mike320
When I hit a dynamic mark and tell it to select all similar elements, it doesn't. I mean, it appears to, but if I set it to "staff", then come out and check each individual dynamic mark, a number of them will not be set to Staff, only the one I actually clicked on to set the command-- so the "select" command has no effect. But I don't know if that is related, because I went in and changed all of them individually to Staff and the music plays the same, choosing volumes that I don't want.
In reply to When I hit a dynamic mark… by Beths
Sounds to me like your dynamic marks / notes have different velocities set than the defaults. Maybe look that all notes' velocity is set to offset and the offset value set to 0 by selecting all the notes (ctrl (Mac: cmd) + A, then click "Notes" in the bottom of the inspector). If it didn't work, please attach the score and report back here.
In reply to Sounds to me like your… by Louis Cloete
The notes are set to offset and the value is 0. I changed the velocity of only one dynamic mark after I discovered the volume problems. I was trying to make that section louder because it was way softer than I had set it for. There is a copy of a troublesome part of the score, above, with the first letter I sent in.
In reply to Sounds to me like your… by Louis Cloete
I realize I'm about four months late to this conversation lol...but this just solved the problem I was having, THANKS!
In reply to When I hit a dynamic mark… by Beths
It works for me with your score. Try again - right click one dynamic, Select / All Similar Elements, set to Part in Inspector. it works. Then do it again and set to Staff. Might have failed if the one you selected was already set to staff.
In reply to It works for me with your… by Marc Sabatella
Well, per a suggestion, I just cut the left-hand middle C out, as it was an impossible command that I gave the poor program. Oh, the "Select/All similar elements" does not seem to work. It appears to go through the motions, but when I go back and check up on other elements that I had not actually clicked on to make the selection...this is turning into a boggled sentence. Let's say I clicked on the first dynamic mark, did the Select thing on it (all similar elements) and changed it from Part to Staff. When I finish that and click on a different dynamic mark, this one is still set to Part. I have to go through the whole piece, dynamic mark by mark, and change each to Staff. And could you tell me what the difference is between "Part" and "Staff" is? I know what a staff is, but what is Muse's definition of a "Part"?
In reply to Well, per a suggestion, I… by Beths
As I mentioned above, I tried it on your score and it worked perfectly. Please try again, and if you still have trouble, give us precise step by step instructions (eg, attach the specific score you are trying it on, tell us exactly which dynamic you are right-clicking.
As for Part versus Staff, "Piano" is the part. So consider music for flute and piano, with a dynamic on the top staff of the piano part. Setting it to "staff" means just that staff. Setting it to "part" means both piano staves, but not the flute. Setting it to "system" affects everything.
In reply to As I mentioned above, I… by Marc Sabatella
Yes, now it is working again, the "Select all similar elements", I mean. It had been working, a month or so ago, but just quit. It was not a huge bother (haha, except on one huge piece), so I never got around to mentioning it. Hopefully, it has gone for good as a problem.
Thanks for the info on Part vs. Staff. --Beth
The p and f in measure 2 to are set to Instrument rather than Staff
In reply to The p and f in measure to… by Jojo-Schmitz
Yes, thanks, I changed those a few letters ago, but unfortunately, although I can tell you about the change, it doesn't show up on the copy I already sent in. Wish it would. So, here in this computer, they are Staff, but it had no effect on how it played.
Sorry, my bad asking for the score when it's already there...
I've corrected your score with a workaround. The problem appears to be related to the fact that the first beat in measures 1 and 2 contains a middle C in the right hand played forte and one in the left hand played piano. MuseScore doesn't handle this well, apparently, so the right hand's forte C is played ppp and then p in the second measure. So I unchecked Play for the C in the left hand in the inspector.
In reply to Sorry, my bad asking for the… by Louis Cloete
You cpould also 'detune' the one of those duplicate notes by a small amonut, like 10 cent
In reply to You cpould also 'detune' the… by Jojo-Schmitz
Duh, yes, I totally missed the fact that I was trying to play the same virtual piano key with each hand at two different volumes. I wrote the melody and just wrote in some fat chords to hear what it sounded like and missed that goof.
In reply to Sorry, my bad asking for the… by Louis Cloete
Indeed that's the problem. You're asking for the same note to be played at two different volumes at the same time - physically impossible. Just as a human musician would, MuseScore has to guess which instruction to follow and which to ignore. Better to just remove the C from the bottom staff.
In reply to Indeed that's the problem. … by Marc Sabatella
Yes, got it and it is working great now. I just stuffed in some chords to see if I was writing in the right key for each measure (so I could add chords for a guitar-ing friend). Never noticed the duplicate note, not being in front of an actual keyboard. Thanks to all of you.
In reply to Sorry, my bad asking for the… by Louis Cloete
Aha! Thank you! How I expected to play the same key at the same time with both hands, I don't know. And at two different volumes, no less. Not even Mozart could manage that one, haha. Great!