Handbook translations
Someone who I will not name has translated several of the handbook pages into Afrikaans I believe using the wrong method. I sent him an e-mail to stop, but the translations for the English will need to be reverted.
Someone who I will not name has translated several of the handbook pages into Afrikaans I believe using the wrong method. I sent him an e-mail to stop, but the translations for the English will need to be reverted.
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You could've named me ;-)
In reply to You could've named me ;-) by Louis Cloete
FYI, I've done the same before, realized my mistake and posted here to get it fixed.
In reply to FYI, I've done the same… by mike320
Thanks... I'll remember for the future.
In reply to Thanks... I'll remember for… by Louis Cloete
One more thing, You may want to use the translate option on these pages, and save the translations so you don't have to redo them once they are reverted.
In reply to One more thing, You may want… by mike320
Thanks for the advice! I am already doing so ;-)
In reply to You could've named me ;-) by Louis Cloete
;-)
probably a stupid question, but can't you just take the Dutch translations as the basis for Afrikaans?
Might be far easier than translating from scratch, considering the similarities between those languages (I've experienced a Dutch guy reading Afrikaans without much problem, except to find some words and expression funny)
In reply to ;-)… by Jojo-Schmitz
Yes, well, I studied a Dutch short story as part of the Literature syllabus of the subject "Afrikaans Home Language" at school. It is kind of like reading Shakespeare when studying English. So it certainly would be possible.
However, I would not advise doing so if it could be helped, for the following reasons:
No translation is perfect. Information or intent or nuance of the original always gets lost during the translation process. This is the reason why the Bible is translated from Hebrew and Greek and not from the Vulgate (Latin translation) or other translations. For that reason, I would only work from a translation if I don't understand the original language. In this case, I actually understand the original language (English) better than Dutch.
Non-technical Dutch is close to Afrikaans, but technical Dutch can differ quite a bit from Afrikaans. Especially when it comes to computer terms (which developed independently in both languages after the split), I am often hard pressed to figure out what exactly does a word mean. One example is "Sla op" in the Dutch translation of the software. If I didn't know that that specific menu item was called "Save" in English, I wouldn't have understood at all. In Afrikaans, "Slaan op" would refer to what you do to your tent when you want to fold it open and anchor it, etc.
So, I do use the Dutch (and German and, to a lesser extent, the Scandinavian languages') translations as a kind of concordance, but not as my source. As I said, in my case, my English is actually better than my Dutch, so no point in using Dutch anyway.
In reply to ;-)… by Jojo-Schmitz
For paragraph translations, that may actually be possible, although you'd end up with a text that would look like Afrikaans, but not sound like Afrikaans. Dutch phrasing is simply different from Afrikaans. It would be faster (and lead to better translations to just use Google Translate from English to Afrikaans.
So, for the benefit of the rest of us, what method did Louis use, and what method was he supposed to use? According to the instructions [1] you have to visit the handbook on the web, click the "Translate" link (after clicking the nav burger, not mentioned in the instructions), and then click "Edit" (also not mentioned in the instructions, but sort of implied), which leads to pages like this:
https://musescore.org/af/node/35711/edit
Is this truly the way to translate the handbook? No TM, no glossaries, no concordance search, no QA?
Samuel
[1] https://musescore.org/en/administrative-guidelines/translation-instruct…
In reply to So, for the benefit of the… by ugcheleuce
Not sure what TM means, there is a glossary and QA is done in a WIKI fashion
In reply to Not sure what Tm means,… by Jojo-Schmitz
Off-topic: Are all the nodes that are to be translated listed on that first page of the user manual (i.e. at node 35711)? I was wondering if it is possible to download the entire user manual in this wiki format.
In reply to Not sure what Tm means,… by Jojo-Schmitz
@Jojo-Schmitz
TM = translation memory - this is a translation database allowing the reuse of previously-translated sentences and text fragments through string matching.
TM works very well with text which varies only a little from the "previous translation", but less well with brand new topics. TM is often used for instruction manuals, maintenance handbooks etc.
MT = machine translation - this is a different technique, usually based on syntactic analysis of each sentence. MT should be able to handle almost any text, even with a topic never encountered before. But MT can sometimes produce translations which are quite bizarre, and certainly not as fluent and natural as the fixed phrases used in TM.
In reply to @Jojo-Schmitz… by DanielR
Thanks.
In reply to So, for the benefit of the… by ugcheleuce
The problem arose when Louis went into the Afrikaans translation of a page. He hit the link for the page he wanted to translate. He clicked the 3 dots to the right of the title and chose edit rather than translate. Since there was no translation yet, he edited the English original rather than translating it. To be safe, I always use the translate button to avoid accidentally editing another language's page.