Beamed option for tremolos
I'm working with V. 3.0, which is gorgeous, but this is true in 2.3.2, as well. Tremolos in musescore looks like this:
Which is fine, I can read it and all. But very nearly every score I see has them written like this:
(Dvorak's 8, from NY Phil archives)
Is there anyway to get it to look like that in musescore? I like it much better, looks much neater and more professional, and makes more sense to me. It'd be even better if I could set a preference to default to that beaming.
Comments
This is a very old request. I agree and I added your voice to #18897: Minim tremolo with beam styling.
In reply to This is a very old request… by mike320
Thank you. I think I just assumed this would be a V. 3.0 fix and so didn't complain much.
FWIW, it's more common in older editions to be sure, but the MuseScore default is the modern standard, as recommended by Gould et al. So I wouldn't go out of my to avoid it out of a desire to appear "professional".
In reply to FWIW, it's more common in… by Marc Sabatella
Well, I usually end up playing old scores, as I play in an orchestra. And I'm the librarian, and Dvorak's eighth is notorious for being error riddled, so using Musescore to make better parts is actually part of my job. And the string section is going to look at me funny if their tremolos don't look how they expect - I'd really like to be able to produce a part that can't be distinguished from the Kalmus editions, except that it's readable... and correct.
In reply to Well, I usually end up… by Laurelin
Understood. Someday we may support this specific usage, but for now, if you want to reproduce the look of older editions you'll have to make do with the workarounds (eg, superimpose real beamed notes, change noteheads via Inspector, etc)
In reply to Understood. Someday we may… by Marc Sabatella
How do you superimpose notes? I thought MS3 was all about avoiding collisions? I didn't even know you could do that with MS2 - could you point me at a detailed workaround?
Thanks.
In reply to How do you superimpose notes… by Laurelin
MuseScore 3 will avoid collisions between markings like text, articulations, hairpins, etc (not all collisions, but many), but you can still force notes on top of each other the same way as MsueScore 2 (voices 1 & 3 overlap by defult, 2 & 4 also). BTW, you can also allow collisions between other elements in MuseScore 3 by turning off "automatic placement" in the Inspector.
As for how to achieve the old-style notation, see for example https://musescore.org/en/node/67246#comment-822908. Do a search (using Google, not this site's search, which doesn't work as well) and you'll find other threads giving suggestions as well.
In reply to FWIW, it's more common in… by Marc Sabatella
Gould is wrong about tremolos. I have nothing else to say about that.
In reply to Gould is wrong about… by mike320
Hmm... apparently for minim tremomlos, Gould does allow beaming.
See cadiz1's image here:
https://musescore.org/en/node/67246#comment-823392
Regards.
In reply to Hmm... apparently for minim… by Jm6stringer
Indeed, I didn't say she calls it "wrong" (although she does for quarter notes). She shows half notes as the one case where it is permissible. Others don't list it at all. Other programs don't make it easy either, so more and more scores published the last few decoades don't use it.
In reply to Indeed, I didn't say she… by Marc Sabatella
Beaming a half note tremolo, the one case where it is permissible, is what the OP is trying to do.
That's why MuseScore, primarily a scorewriter (the oft heard mantra), engenders a request like this.
See:
https://musescore.org/en/node/18897
I understand that "more and more scores published the last few decades don't use it".
Perhaps the same can be said about some of the early music features currently available in MuseScore.
Regards.
In reply to Beaming a half note tremolo,… by Jm6stringer
To be clear: I completely support this feature request. I was merely responding to the notion that this was necessary in order for a score to look "professional". It isn't; it is necessary in order for it to adhere to a certain older style of notation without workarounds. This has no bearing on the validity of the request, though. I just wanted to be clear that the current behavior actually is perfectly correct and "professional". People who are mostly familiar with older editions understandably might not have been aware of this.
In reply to To be clear: I completely… by Marc Sabatella
Clear as a bell... ;-)