Concert Pitch and Parts - weird behavior
My score includes parts for both concert instruments and transposing instruments, the latter being trumpet and alto & tenor saxes. With "Concert Pitch" turned off, the key signatures on the band score are all correct: concert instruments are in D, Bb instruments in E, and Eb instruments in B. However, in the Parts, the key signatures are wrong for the transposing instruments, with the Eb instruments having an Ab signature and the Bb instruments having an F# signature. When I turn on Concert Pitch, the band score is again correct, but the parts are not: Bb instruments are written in E and Eb instruments in Cb. I must be doing something wrong but I can't figure out what; suggestions most welcome.
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This is a known problem, #286058: Changing Key Signature in Main Score (Via Transposition) Does Not Result in Changed Key Signature in Part.
In reply to This is a known problem, … by mike320
So what's the simplest work-around? Band is rehearsing tomorrow night so I need to fix this now.
In reply to So what's the simplest work… by keith.w.forsyth
Doing the change in the part too? Or removing and regenerating the part.
In reply to So what's the simplest work… by keith.w.forsyth
When you create parts, make sure you have concert pitch turned off on the score. If you already have bad parts, delete the parts and redo them with the concert pitch button turned off.
In reply to When you create parts, make… by mike320
That is very easy, and seems to work. THANK YOU! If the "Parts" section of the Handbook were edited to let people know that Concert Pitch must be turned off when creating parts, I personally don't see any need to change the code.
In reply to That is very easy, and seems… by keith.w.forsyth
If only all users were reading the handbook :-)
Then again why not automatically change to concert pitch on part creation (and back after). Seems the fool proof way of doing things?
We do similar thinkg with continuous mode and printing/exporting to PDF, SVG, PNG (i.e. switch to page mode before and back to continuous after)
In reply to That is very easy, and seems… by keith.w.forsyth
This is a bug. It should not be necessary to change between concert pitch and transposed to create parts. You should get the same results regardless of this setting.
I haven't looked into the PR to see why it's not merged, but there is work being done to fix it.
In reply to This is a known problem, … by mike320
If you used the Tools / Transpose function, the issue linked above is relevant, but I suspect it's more likely you were bit by another different issue that is fixed for 3.1 already, #285781: Non-default style settings in score get applied to all parts on reload, leading to bad transposition and other loss of data
In reply to If you used the Tools /… by Marc Sabatella
I think I've experienced both, since I fixed the issue by re-creating parts with concert pitch off, then the problem re-appeared the next day after saving & reloading. Should I update from 3.0.5 to 3.1 even though the latter is beta?
In reply to I think I've experienced… by keith.w.forsyth
What counts isn't the state of the concert pitch button when you generate the parts, it's the state when you save the score. Basically, in 3.0.5, saving a score with concert pitch turned on (but turned off in the parts) is broken, and indeed fixed in 3.1. Overall 3.1 beta is proving itself quite stable and people are quite happy with it, so I'd definitely recommend giving it a shot. Either that or just be careful not to save with concert pitch turned on while you wait for the official 3.1 release (no definitive word, but I'd assume a couple of weeks or so).
In reply to What counts isn't the state… by Marc Sabatella
I would recommend using the beta. It's the only version I use.
In reply to What counts isn't the state… by Marc Sabatella
Now that I'm careful not to save with concert pitch on, the problem seems to have disappeared. I'll update when the official release comes out. Thanks for all the help.