Add style setting to control grace note distance and spacing
Reported version
3.2
Priority
P2 - Medium
Type
Functional
Frequency
Few
Severity
S5 - Suggestion
Reproducibility
Always
Status
active
Regression
No
Workaround
No
Project
As titled with 3.2.2.7635 score and captures, appoggiatura auto placements needs improvement? by design one day?
Printed book looks good:
| Attachment | Size |
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| 02-01 Minuet.mscz | 15.62 KB |
Comments
Not that there's any change relevant to this, but why 3.2.2 rather than the current and latest 3.2.3?
oops, actually Windows build 7635 is version 3.2.3
In reply to oops, actually Windows build… by Jojo-Schmitz
Sorry i typed wrong, it's 3.2.3*, maybe current algorithm doesn't tell/deal diffrence betweet Appoggiatura and Acciaccatura?
Layout-wise there most probably is none, both are grace notes
Your sample score's style settings deviate from the defaults in quite many places, why?
In reply to Layout-wise there most… by Jojo-Schmitz
to fit in more measures/bars in one line, so I can have system break to break at the place I want, to form noce tidy overall format looking, especially with pro scores. compare these two:
![1.JPG]( "1.JPG")
and,
![2.JPG]( "2.JPG")
In reply to to fit in more measures/bars… by Xianyue賢越
and https://musescore.com/user/10086716/scores/4509656
in this way, palyer konws where exactly he is at any time.
Why not simply using measure stretch or system breaks rather than all sorce of minor tweaks? Score looks sa the same with default style and just a single system break at measure 8
with "simply using measure stretch or system break", can do this easy children score, but not the pro one of the link and similars:
https://musescore.com/user/10086716/scores/4509656
i saved this high density stlye and apply it to all my scores so they look the same.
My recommendation: don't. Deviate from those defaults only when absolutly neccessary, everything else is asking for trouble. If you want the score denser, reduce stretch. If that isn't enough, reduce the staff space setting (not neccessarily in the automatic increments those up/donw arrows in the dialog do, 0.2mm, but in smaller ones, 0.1mm or even 0.05mm).
Even if here it is entirely unrelated, as the grace note spacing is not involved.
I rely on MS's ability to handle all parameters variants it allows to intake, and I HAVE TO tidy score uo this way, or otherwise there is no point to use MS and just deal with book messy farmat to train my brain for a good memory of figuring out music structures.
thanks paying attention to this.
https://musescore.com/user/10086716/scores/4509656
is a 2.x score, importing that into 3.x it is esp. bad to have all these manual adjustments.
In reply to My recommendation: don't… by Jojo-Schmitz
" reduce stretch. If that isn't enough, reduce the staff space setting"- all did. and reduced paper margins.
In reply to https://musescore.com/user… by Jojo-Schmitz
with this linked one, I tryied to handle it with MS3 last time, failed SADLY.
Indeed, and those manual adjustmets are a big part of the problem. Quite a few of those settings are now interpreted differently.
In reply to https://musescore.com/user… by Jojo-Schmitz
With linked one, any book printing look similar to this, i easy get lost and abusolutly wanted to format it the way I like, MS2 allws me to. Other sofotwares: F, S, N,,,,, I tired almost all of them, disappinting, thas why I love MuseScore 2 maybe 3 later.
![Capture.JPG]( "Capture.JPG")
So the original looks very different from what you did to it in MuseScore 2. Those old-time engravers knew their job and how to create readable sheets...
In reply to So the original looks very… by Jojo-Schmitz
That's true man. time for daliy routine: exercise, tea, dog walking now, and good night.
The default placement seems decent enough. And if you set a crazy small minimum note distance, it shouldn't be surprise that you get a crazy small minimum note distance. But we could certainly consider a new style setting for grace note distance.
See also #292152: Grace notes in staff/tab pairs are misaligned: causes oversized spaces in music staff?
The grace note distance alone is not that much of a problem, but it becomes too close (read: should get more distance) when a slur gets added to it.
There is already a "minimum tie length" setting, we could start honoring that, or add another setting still, for slurs. Although really, it would probably be difficult to honor it for "normal" slurs due to how the layout works, but doing it for grace note slurs would probably be not hard.
+1 to the proposal. Note: Finale has a few options for grace note spacing: i.e. "Offset on entry" (the distance to the parent note); and "Minimum distance between".
In reply to +1 to the proposal. Note:… by geetar
Let's hope it would be improved together with grace note stem height optimising with the next update. There are so many grace notes everywhere, they are basic & fundmental even in children's scores, they won't be left behind while other formattings are going well.
Related to #311174: [EPIC] UI/UX issues and suggestions
The following additional style properties for grace notes?
In reply to IMV, the following additions… by geetar
I like these suggestions. Someone please let me know if these are now available style settings that I'm just not finding. I'm working on a part with a lot of appogiaturas, terminations, and long grace note scales... these grace note style settings would hopefully help (nothing I'm trying in the Inspector is working...sigh).