Systems/Margins issue on first page
Hi...
I'm having issues with systems/margins on the first page.
The problem that occurs is that when using staff spacers (down), the available space on page one isn't the same as the following pages (can't reach bottom margin with staff on page one).
I'm stuck with having really tight space between staffs on page one and also that I can't seem to use the whole page for layout.
Se attached pictures for more details.
EDIT: See uploaded file here for the undesired effect: https://musescore.com/user/16129966/scores/5934500
See also attached file "Total eclipse..." for the desired effect. I can't seem to duplicate that layout on the first page (with staff all the way to bottom margin) despite it beeing made by myself and same settings.
Best regards
Andreas
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| page settings.jpg | 100.79 KB |
| problem.jpg | 83.43 KB |
| problem 2.jpg | 66.13 KB |
| Honesty sample.mscz | 44.23 KB |
| Bonnie Tyler - Total Eclipse Of The Heart.mscz | 69.07 KB |
Comments
Hello
Does it look better like this?
1-Honesty sample.mscz
In reply to Hello Does it look better… by Papibois
Unfortunately not... see picture.
In reply to Unfortunately not... see… by atomadde
I am sorry but I think you should reset the program to its default settings.( Help menu>Revert to Factory Settings)
And then open the score that I linked and everything will be fine.
At home, I don't have this first blank page at all :)
What about with something similar as attached (using extra distance above staff for some staves and staff spacer on the first page)?
In reply to What about with something… by kuwitt
Thanks for your effort... but that example generates exactly the same effect as previous suggestion: all content in page one is moved to page two. See screenshot below.
In reply to Thanks for your effort... … by atomadde
Not so on my operating system Linux (see below). So select all spacers on the first page (via Ctrl) and reduce the height inside the inspector, that it matches for you too.
In reply to Not so on my operating… by kuwitt
Done so... maximum height seems to be 12.75. Anything more moves content to new page, se below.
Highly interesting this... might something be corrupt on my side?
In reply to Done so... maximum height… by atomadde
I don't see any corruption in your file (maybe you could also add a page break to the first page, but isn't really necessary). And you can't really add a higher value of the staff spacers, so that it matches on the page?
Select the staff spacers again, either via "ctrl" or right click on a staff spacer->select->all similar elements. Play around with the values for length inside the inspector (don't use only the arrows to adjust it, also enter values in the field directly), to figure out the optimal value. What happens, if you enter a value of "13.00" or "12.80", higher or less (and so on...)?
(For the record: it isn't necessary to select all staff spacers, of course you can adjust each spacer individually, but so you will have the same distance of all spacers).
In reply to I don't see any corruption… by kuwitt
I've tried all now and the problem persists... page one seems to be stuck with a lot of blank space at the bottom. I've attached the completed file and the spacers are "maxed out"; if I increase length on anyone of them, content shifts to page two.
See undesired effect below. Please note that when music is on page 2, it's possible to use all the page.
I've done a lot of sheets and I can't even seem to recreate this problem for a backwords workaround.
Might the problem originate from som kind of page setting that's conflicting?
In reply to I've tried all now and the… by atomadde
At home when I open your Billy Joel, it looks great.
![Billy Joel-Honesty.JPG]( "Billy Joel-Honesty.JPG")
Then, as I told you before, I think you have changed the default settings of the program and that you need to restore these factory settings (help menu).
In reply to At home when I open your… by Papibois
Done that... problem remains. :(
In reply to I've tried all now and the… by atomadde
Hopefully just not being completely confused myself ;-), just noticed: could you also check, if you have the same behavior with the release candidate of MS 3.4.0 (https://musescore.org/en/3.4rc)?
(Not sure about the reason, but I notice a different behavior beetween 3.3.4 and 3.4.0 beta (don't have checked the release candidate - with 3.3.4 it works for me if I delete the title frame, doesn't seem to be necessary with 3.4.0)
In reply to Hopefully just not being… by kuwitt
You are correct... the title frame seems to be whats causing this. I'll try the beta and get back!
In reply to Hopefully just not being… by kuwitt
Problem solved!
The beta version was the solution - the title frame no longer interfers with the available space on page one.
Might this qualify for a bug report?
How ever... thanks a lot for your (and everyone elses) help!
/Andreas
In reply to Problem solved! The beta… by atomadde
So the beta does it right, but the RC does not?
In reply to So the beta does it right,… by Jojo-Schmitz
Version 3.4.0.9562
Revision: 716655c
In reply to Version 3.4.0.9562 Revision:… by atomadde
Unfortunately, although the file displays correctly now in the program, when uploaded it shows the same problem described above.
In reply to Unfortunately, although the… by atomadde
Well, the backend on musesccore.com has not yet been updated, that would happen shortly after release
In reply to So the beta does it right,… by Jojo-Schmitz
Quickly checked: For me it works with both, beta and rc.
@atomadde: Bugs for actual/former releases won't be fixed, but they will fixed for the next release (as appearently happened here). Concerning your upload-request, it's a musecore.com-issue. Hopefully will be fixed, if 3.4.0 is released.
In reply to Quickly checked: For me it… by kuwitt
Affirm on musescore.com question!
Just to settle my curiosity I tested the attached file in 3.4.0.9562 (716655c) and in 3.3.4.9066 (7684abe) and the file is displayed differently (at least at my end).
In reply to Affirm on musescore.com… by atomadde
Confirmed, but it means, it's fixed with release of the next version, doesn't it ;-)?
In reply to Confirmed, but it means, it… by kuwitt
Yes, but as the rendering takes place at the time of upload, a re-upload to musescore.com would bee needed after the it got updated.
I'm not understanding the perceived bug here. I see a bunch of scores, some of them happen to fit title and first system on a single page, others don't. Is there a particular file where you feel based on your current settings that it should fit but doesn't?
In reply to I'm not understanding the… by Marc Sabatella
Sorry for the late reply... been away.
In short; Some (unknown?) issue in version 3.4.0.9562 made it impossible to use spacers to increase staff distance all the way down to bottom margin. With newer versions the problem was no longer.
See example on my post " atomadde • Jan 20, 2020 - 15:30" and reply from e.g. Papibois directly after.
My conclusion was (and is probably wrong) that the title frame in version 3.4.0.9562 somehow made the availabe space on the first page lesser than it should've been according to the settings.
The file "Billy Joel - Honesty test.mscz" (some posts above) is displayed differently in newer versions.
In reply to Sorry for the late reply… by atomadde
As I said, there are bunch of scores here and different possible issues being discussed. I can't tell what the perceived problem is. Please, in a response here, post exactly one score with clear step by step instructions to reproduce the issue. If you then experience another problem with a different score, please start a new thread for that. Otherwise it is too difficult to keep track of what is happening.