Text (Composer/Lyricist) Alignment in Top Horizontal Frame
I don't know if this is a bug or not so I'm calling it a Feature Request.
I recently noticed that MuseScore uses the "lowest" part of a letter as an alignment reference in regards to placement above the bottom of the top vertical frame. So for example if I typed: "Words by Sam," the "tail" on the lowercase "Y" in "by" would be the reference point.
However, if on the same score I typed "Traditional" for the Composer, since there are no "Y's" or Q's" in "Traditional," the basis for alignment is the bottom of the lower case letters. That means, "Words by Sam" and "Traditional" on the same score are out of alignment.
Obviously I can adjust one or the other Y Offsets to make the positioning the same or type "Music by Traditional, but wouldn't it be better for all text positioning to be based the bottom of letters without "tails" and any additional offsets to compensate for letters with tails to be built in so you don't have to manually tweak the positions?
I have a feeling this is even more prevalent with other languages and characters.
I attached an example.
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Comments
There are style setting for those, maybe they use a bad default?
Check format/style/text styles/composer and lyricist
In reply to There are style setting for… by Jojo-Schmitz
Both are set for FreeSerif 12 pt, the same font I use for everything.
For what it is worth, I created the same example with same criteria in Muse Score 2 and it DOESN'T happen. Both entries are lined up perfectly using the "tail" of the "Y" in "by" as the spacing from the bottom of Horizontal Frame. Interestingly enough, I created another MuseScore 2 example with "Traditional" for both the Composer & Lyricist and the spacing was the same as expected but still with enough room for a letter with a "tail".
If I did that in Muse Score 3, both would have the same alignment, but would be sitting lower in the frame than entries with lowercase letters with "tails".
That makes me think it is a bug or an oversight.
In reply to Both are set for FreeSerif… by HuffNPuff
Look at the font alignment, bottom vs baseline (or some such)
In reply to Look at the font alignment, … by Jojo-Schmitz
Other than the right/left alignment, both are identical and set the same.
In reply to Other than the right/left… by HuffNPuff
Does it look better if you change to a different alignment?
In reply to Does it look better if you… by Jojo-Schmitz
The other vertical alignment choices move it too far above the bottom of the top horizontal frame requiring readjustment of the Y Offset which can be adjusted, but why does it have to when it didn't have to before. Just because you type a lower case letter with a "tail?"
Did you look at the example I attached originally? I reattached it below. I am also attaching a version in MuseScore2 which never had this problem.
In reply to The other vertical alignment… by HuffNPuff
Can't look at it, being away from my computer...
In reply to Can't look at at, being away… by Jojo-Schmitz
OK, we'll let this go until you get a chance. We can pick it up again, then.
Thanks for the interest regardless!!
In reply to OK, we'll let this go until… by HuffNPuff
@HuffNPuff
I was suffering from the exact symptoms which you described. But @Jojo-Schmitz already identified the area we need to look at. Here was Jojo's suggestion:
"Look at the font alignment, bottom vs baseline (or some such)"
These vertical height settings can be set separately for various elements (Composer, Lyricist) with this menu path: Format > Style... > Text Styles > [Lyricist or Composer]
and then click one of the A icons:
either Align: Align bottom edge of text to reference point
or Align: Align baseline of text to reference point
I have tested this (OS: Windows 10 (10.0), Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.4.2.9788, revision: 148e43f) - and I think that there may really be a bug. Choosing "Align baseline of text" both for Lyricist and for Composer should be the best option, because it should ignore letters like "y" with descenders. But that particular selection seems to exhibit faulty behaviour when you choose it. The baseline of the text should settle on the lower edge of the frame with any descenders going below the frame's bottom edge, but instead the entire text jumps upwards towards the middle of the frame. I can't believe that's the intended behaviour...
In reply to @HuffNPuff I was suffering… by DanielR
"Descenders" Well if nothing else I learned the proper name for them. ;-)
Something is wrong for sure, it used to work fine in MuseScore 2, I just noticed it recently in MuseScore 3 when I used "Traditional" for the Composer.
As you say, both text elements (Composer, Lyricist) should be set the same because one has no idea what element may or may not have a descender.
I await JoJo's analysis when he gets in front of a PC.
Cheers Daniel
In reply to "Descenders" Well if nothing… by HuffNPuff
If it helps: Here's 2.3.2 with "Bottom" alignment. It has apparently been this way for some time (the 'y' character raises the text's base y-value height, and the base-alignment setting gave that 'mid-way vertical look' back then, so this is no regression):
In reply to If it helps: Here's 2.3.2… by worldwideweary
Well here is the example I posted in my comments above, created in 2.3.2:
It sure looks like the Composer & Lyricist text are aligned to me...
In reply to Well here is the example I… by HuffNPuff
Indeed seems 2.x handles those descenders better correctly, but 2.x and 3.x both don't handle that baseline alignment correctly
So 2 bugs, one of which is a regression
Feel free to report both in the issue tracker
In reply to Indeed seems 2.x handles… by Jojo-Schmitz
After loading OPer's MS2 case into MS2.3.2 and offsetting only the x-position of the composer's text to be close to the lyrics, there is an obvious misalignment unlike with HuffNPuff's above attached image: (Linux AppImage 2.3.2)
In reply to If I download the OPer's MS2… by worldwideweary
I can't confirm this with 2.3.2 on Windows 7
![Test_(MS2).png]( "Test_(MS2).png")
In reply to I can't confirm this with 2… by Jojo-Schmitz
Interesting. Neither does the problem occur on my local Win7 on 2.3.2.
Maybe something to do with Qt's cross-platform functions at the time?
In reply to Interesting. Neither does… by worldwideweary
Probably
In reply to Indeed seems 2.x handles… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks for #306840: Text (Composer/Lyricist) Mis-Alignment of texts with letters that have descender vs. those that don't in vertical frames ;-)
In reply to Thanks for #306840: Text … by Jojo-Schmitz
I never know if I do those things correctly, so feel free to edit as necessary.
As always, thanks for the help & interest.
In reply to Indeed seems 2.x handles… by Jojo-Schmitz
And now also thanks for #306872: "Align baseline of text to reference point" in vertical frame is broken