Key signature : difference with v1.3
In the attached score, I didn't figure out how to change the key signature for my bagpipe stave.
In fact, I can erase it, making it diffrent from my oboe stave, but when I try to put a new one on the bagpipe stave, it apply the same to the oboe stave.
This was possible in v1.3.
Can anyone help ?
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Ummm - isn't a key signature irrelevant on a bagpipe stave??
I thought they were diatonic instruments????
In reply to Ummm - isn't a key signature by ChurchOrganist
Some people like to notate them with two sharps, because in fact that is more or less how they sound. That is, the notes a bagpiper calls "C" and "F" play as "C#" and "F#" - and that's *before* the up-a-half-step-or-more transposition inherent in most models of the instrument. So notated "C" actually sounds more like "D" (because it's really *C#* sounding a half step higher), while notated "D" sounds more like "Eb" (because it really is *D* sounding a half step higher).
In reply to Some people like to notate by Marc Sabatella
Marc, as you seems to be aware, let me precise that what you're saying is correct, but as a french it is slightly different.
The first stave (see attachment) is french Brittany notation, the second is scottish and the third are real sounds.
I try to get bbb key signature for bagpipe, keeping only bb for oboe that stand for french bombarde //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombard_(music) .
In reply to Ummm - isn't a key signature by ChurchOrganist
Why diatonic instrument should not have key signature ?
For example you can play bb or bbb key signature changing fingering.
In reply to Why diatonic instrument by madsenfr
I disagree - you are not changing key - you are changing mode.
In reply to I disagree - you are not by ChurchOrganist
You're right !
Even if I can play A and Ab I never play both in the same score (I do not mix modes).
But you will agree that even with diatonic instrument you can play different modes, and so need to know which one looking at the key signature ?
Yes, key signatures now work much better for the majority of cases: you normally want the same key signature for all instruments just like you do time signatures, so dragging a key signature now applies it too all staves, just as has always been the case for time signatures. But in the special cases where you want a different key signature for some instrument - and bagpipes can indeed be one of those special cases - you can hold Ctrl while dragging to add to just that staff.
BTW, you *don't* want to use this for ordinary transposing instruments (clarinets, etc). They have different key signatures than non-transposing instruments, but MuseScore handles those instruments automatically. Drag "Eb" to any staff and it *automatically* turns into "F" for clarinet, "Bb" for horn, "C" for alto saxophone, etc. Unless you have "concert pitch" turned on, in which case it just shows as "Eb" everywhere. So it really is just bagpipes, or perhaps polytonal music, where you'd ever need to use the Ctrl+drag method of adding key signatures. For ordinary orchestral music, plain drag does exactly the right thing now (whereas in 1.3, you had to laboriously drag the same key signature to all staves of the score).
In reply to Yes, key signatures now work by Marc Sabatella
Great thread. Thanks.
In reply to Yes, key signatures now work by Marc Sabatella
Marc, you're my new friend ;-)
Just to explain what I intend to do, because I just learned music for my specific practice.
Bagpipe is bbb in France (that's true).
Bombard (my stave Oboe) can be bb or bbb.
In some score bombard play a natural A or even do not play A at all but bagpipe use some Ab for appoggiatura (making very short notes that are not taken in account for time, but just to separate the main notes).
So in that case, my two diatonic instruments can have different key signature.