Tuplets in lute tab.
About triplets...
I made a screen recording again, but I cannot upload it. There seem to be no video formats among the many allowed formats. I tried to convert it but could not find any of the preferred formats. Basically what happens is: I choose a quarter note and enter it in the tab. I then hit cmd-3 and nothing happens. I can enter more notes, but I will run out of space
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If you're having trouble with something, best to simply attach the score itself and then write out the steps to reproduce the problem, That's much much much simpler for us to follow and reproduce than trying to work from a recording.
Not sure what you were expecting to happen, but to be clear: while in note input mode, Cmd+3 is the shortcut to tell MuseScore you are about to enter a tuplet. So no note you already entered will be affected at all, it says the next notes you enter will form a triplet. In other words, if the goal is to create an eighth note triplet, then while in note input mode, with the cursor at the place where you want to enter the triplets, type 5 (to select the quarter note as the full duration), Cmd+3 (to tell MuseScore you are about to enter a triplet, then your three pitches.
In reply to If you're having trouble… by Marc Sabatella
I've tried repeatedly to do what you describe, but it isn't working for me. I even added a measure at the end to try it. I'm a nubie, so I really don't know what is going on, but I suspect what may be happening is that it is entering the triplet but not indicating it with a three or any slur line. When I tried at the end, that is what it sounds like: a triplet then eighths. The reason why there are two staves with the same thing is that I cannot get the upper one to make any sound. The upper one has the font I want. Also, what I really want is a septuplet. Is it the same procedure, cmd-6?
In reply to I've tried repeatedly to do… by edurbrow
"it is entering the triplet but not indicating it with a three or any slur line. "
As I wrote in the other thread, in the early style "Note Symbols" (Note values), the triplet was not implemented for early music. I can't say when the triplet (I mean with the 3 and the hook appeared exactly (maybe you know more?)
And as said, in the same other thread, you have to go for the "modern" style (Stems and beams), but it is not very academic. Or just add a 3 as text and a slur (or an image, with the hook or slur, as mentionned also in the same other related thread
See your file with the "Stems and beams" setting (last measure) : 1Study in 6ths Ed Durbrow_1.mscz
In reply to "it is entering the triplet… by cadiz1
It is looking pretty good now. Once I realized that it actually was putting in triplets but just not indicating them, I could do it.
I really want to thank you for all your help. It was way beyond the call of duty.
Weiss definitely indicates triplets with slurs. I also don't know exactly when the little 3 appeared.
The only little nit-picky thing I couldn't do was eliminate the rhythm sign in the middle of the bar with the septuplet.
In reply to It is looking pretty good… by edurbrow
"Once I realized that it actually was putting in triplets but just not indicating them, I could do it."
Indeed, this is what should have been understood, perhaps I should have insisted on this point (the triplet is not indicated, but it is realized rhythmically - with the "Note symbols" setting)
With Weiss, we are already in the late baroque.
For the renaissance period, I just remembered a passage from John Dowland's Frog Galliard version of Folger Book.
With Dowland (among others, at that time of the English lute), it's a grid system, and towards the middle of the score, you can clearly see the symbols grouped by 3 (and with a 3 in the first measure of the change, I had never noticed it before!) - 1st image below.
MuseScore has the ability to reproduce this display (I had mentioned it in one of your first threads), it's just a bit more time consuming to do, but it works very well.
Gerbode displays it in a "modern" style - 2th image below.
Of course, for us in this day and age, it's more clear.
In reply to "Once I realized that it… by cadiz1
Right. I'm pleased with Musescore. I'm just a beginner, but I've produced two lute scores now in different styles and they both look great. The manual or handbook is very good and the support community is fantastic.
I just am a little apprehensive if it is okay to post in the general topic area about such specialized topics.
Thank you.
In reply to Right. I'm pleased with… by edurbrow
By all means, posting these things in "General" or "Support" is what those forums are here for. Don't hesitate to ask for (specialized) support! Worst thing that can happen is that nobody can answer you (although we have some lute specialists around here, so chances are slim ;-) ).
In reply to "Once I realized that it… by cadiz1
This was new to me - that triplets wouldn't be shown as such in some tablature styles. Makes sense for a style that doesn't show any rhythm, but it surprised me here.
So I'm wondering, is there then a consensus on what should be displayed for triplets when using the note symbols setting? Unfortunately as you (@cadiz1) know all too well, that's no guarantee of anything actually being done, but it's certainly a first step. I'm sorry I don't understand more about tablature - or of the many under-the-hood changes in place already for MuseScore 4 - to be of much help myself in implementing anything here.
In reply to This was new to me - that… by Marc Sabatella
I think that if Maurizio Gavioli (@Miwarre), who was an early music specialist, did not implement triplets for the case of displaying "note symbols", it is for some reasons, and probably good ones.
I don't really know what they are (but, for example, as can be seen on the Dowland attachment, a triplet was not displayed as it is nowadays!)
It is possible (but not sure?) that he mentioned it in one of his threads. But I can't promise anything, as it was many years ago.
In reply to This was new to me - that… by Marc Sabatella
Lute tab certainly shows rhythm.
I'm amazed that a free program has such advanced lute tab capabilities. All that money I've wasted on various notation programs... I'm pretty pleased with the results I've gotten for the two pieces I've done so far.
In reply to Lute tab certainly shows… by edurbrow
"Lute tab certainly shows rhythm."
Of course. But we are talking specifically about triplets. At the moment, triplets are displayed with the "modern" setting "Stems and beams", but not with the early style "Note symbols", so that's the question to investigate.