Horizontal spacing in v4.5
Hello everyone,
Is it just me, or is the horizonal spazing system in v4.5 a bit off? My scores used to look just fine but now they look way too cramped, and my eighth notes don't have equal spacing now (see attached screenshot). For the meantime I suppose I would have to manually adjust my scores.
Cheers
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4.5 indeed allows for denser spacing, but had you used system breaks, your score would look (almost) exactly as before.
But also see https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/issues/27133
In reply to But also see https://github… by Jojo-Schmitz
Just an observation. We never had to use system breaks so much before. Allows for denser scores? More like forces.
In reply to Just an observation. We… by bobjp
No, allows. Adding system breaks as part of the final layout is and ever was a crucial step to ensure the same layout on a later version.
Don't add them if you don't care for the layout, but do. if you do, simple as that.
In reply to Just an observation. We… by bobjp
You still don't have to. It was always a good idea for scores where you cared about where the breaks fell. but for scores you simply want to get the music on the page and hopefully minimize page turns, then there is no need in any version to add breaks. 4.5 just allows for more efficient use of the page. It doesn't force a thing. You still have control over the various style settings as well as the use of breaks just as always, plus the new locks feature.
Please do not clutter this thread with further misinformation - keep your rants confined to the other one, and let this one focus on actually helping users.
In reply to You still don't have to. It… by Marc Sabatella
I'll be happy to stop. But you sugar coat and trivialize the problem. Then put the blame on the user.
In reply to I'll be happy to stop. But… by bobjp
No one is sugar coating anything or blaming anyone. I am simply trying to help people understand how to get the best layout they can and understand the nature of the improvements that make this easier than ever. So let's please keep the discussion focused on that and keep Chicken Little out of it.
In reply to No one is sugar coating… by Marc Sabatella
Sorry. Did you see the screenshot? MuseScore "allows" for that?
And through the use of subtle insults, you get to decide what this discussion is about?
The OP now has a problem he didn't have before. He knows what he has to do to fix it. And is doing it. He wanted to know if anyone else was having this problem. To that end, none of our answers where helpful. I know you will say my answers are lies an misinformation.
In reply to Sorry. Did you see the… by bobjp
Yes, the spacing shown the original screen shot is perfectly fine for scores - better than what previous versions would do. For parts, one should normally be choosing break locations oneself, which is part of the information I try to provide - both the reasons and the methods for doing this. But I hadn't even had the opportunity to provide the helpful info here yet, because I was forced to deal with your repeated misinformation. Please do the MuseScore community a favor and stop.
In reply to Yes, the spacing shown the… by Marc Sabatella
Forced? Don't you mean allowed?
Fine, I'll start my own thread.
Your eighth notes don't have even spacing because there are sixteenth between some of them (on another staff). This is perfectly normal and not a change from previous versions.
As for the overall density - scores are meant to be dense to minimize the number of page turns for the conductor; previous versions unfortunately had a bug where there was too much space by default in some cases. This is now corrected.
NVM
@Marc the space between the 1/16 e and c in the second measure (note 2 and 3) seems (to my eyes) bigger than the space between the c and the d (note 3 and 4)
Making (again, to my eyes, subjective opinion) it looking a bit weird...
What do you think?
I have the feeling that these 2 1/16 notes (e and c) should be closer than the space between the next 1/4 d note...
By the way if they were the space between the 1/8 in the piano would look more balanced.
But that's not the reason why I find them strange, they look strange to me on their own.
In reply to @Marc the space between the… by frfancha
Most likely it's an illusion caused by the different vertical positions of the notes - in one case the left note butts right up against the stem of the next and the in the other it is displaced above, which could easily through off our perceptions. But also, it's hard to say much from just a picture - especially one that doesn't show the full system.
What I can say about the new algorithm is that depending on your chosen values for minimum note distance and spacing ratio - as well as where you've used stretch or other manual adjustments - the differences in spacing allocated for sixteenths versus eighths can be a bit less than it was before. This is deliberate and in keeping with convention.
In reply to @Marc the space between the… by frfancha
the space between the 1/16 e and c in the second measure (note 2 and 3) seems (to my eyes) bigger than the space between the c and the d (note 3 and 4)
I agree that it appear so, but if you look at the stems of those three notes you can easily see that they are separated by the same distance. It is an optical illusion, as Marc says.