Make applying tremolo a toggle operation
Reported version
3.4
Type
Functional
Frequency
Few
Severity
S5 - Suggestion
Reproducibility
Always
Status
closed
Regression
No
Workaround
No
Project
Tremolos on single stems is something that is similar to articulation, and should really be toggle enabled like staccato, tenuto, marcato etc.
This would need to be in the list of keyboard shortcuts to work.
Fix version
3.6.2
Comments
I'm sorry, do you mean toggling playback?
No, apply tremolo once applies is, appliy again to remove it
In reply to No, apply tremolo once… by Jojo-Schmitz
I don't understand, why is it similar to articulation? Either musically or in MuseScore?
it is similar to an articulation as it affects the playback of a single note/chord
I guess a 2 notes tremolo though would benefit from being a toggle too
I don't think tremolo has anything similar to articulation. Tremolo is an abbreviation of rapidly repeating notes. There're basically several notes, not one note with an articulation. So I don't expect to see whatever toggling operation that's specific to articulations being applied to tremolos as well.
It would most certainly be possible and useful to implement it as a toggle
In reply to It would most certainly be… by Jojo-Schmitz
What toggle? I still don't know what kind of toggle we are talking about.
Select note, apply staccato. Result: staccato added.
Apply staccato again. Result: staccato is removed.
Now imagin the same with tremolos
In reply to Select note, apply staccato… by Jojo-Schmitz
I don't see this even with staccato. And whether this is really a good idea is debatable.
In reply to I don't see this even with… by Howard-C
Select a note, hit shift+S, => staccato dot over the note. Hit shift+S again => The staccato dot disappears i.e. Shift+S acts as a toggle. [EDIT] Unless you have re-assigned the Shift+S shortcut that is.
It is a good idea as it is often quicker to apply staccato to a long string of notes and then toggle off the ones you don't want rather than having to apply staccato to just those you do want.
In reply to Select a note, hit shift+S, … by SteveBlower
For the record. These are the things that MuseScore can toggle.
In reply to For the record. These are… by SteveBlower
OK, I see the convenience for having this toggle operation for articulations, but still don't see why it's useful for tremolos. Do you usually want to apply tremolos to a range of chords and then delete tremolos for some of them?
In reply to OK, I see the convenience… by Howard-C
There are lots of scenarios, which come across when composing or arranging. Like mentioned somewhere else, the process of composition, arranging and sketching is very different from copying or engraving. It often involves so many rapid changes and trial and error, that certain features are just becoming very helpful. Toggle is one of them. Now since stem tremolos actually often applied not to a single notes here and there but to a larger passages of mixed material and over something like up to 5 staves of a string section, chasing those tiny slashes one at a time with a mouse, or even as a list selection is a tedious thing. And particularly when you are in a phase of changing things around a lot. Toggle would then be primarily used with small portions of range selected passages or staves, not so much with ctrl selection I believe.
In reply to There are a lots of… by antonjazzsax
As you will see from the list I posted, there is already the facility to toggle trills - ornament, not articulation. Adding the facility to toggle tremolos shouldn't break anything and unless a default shortcut is defined, users would not notice the facility's presence unless they defined their own shortcut.
The big advantage of toggle behaviour for staccato markings is that the alternative method of removing them by selecting the mark and deleting is difficult because the selection target - the dot - is so darned tiny. Tremolos offer a bigger target and so the advantage of toggle behaviour is not so great in their case. But even so, I can believe some users will find it useful on occasion and it won't inconvenience those who don't find it useful.
Toggle for single notes would be nice because they are sometimes difficult to click if you decide to remove them. This is rarely a problem with tremolos between notes.
Relates to #311174: [EPIC] UI/UX issues and suggestions
In reply to I don't see this even with… by Howard-C
I agree about the tremolo and the toggle. On mandolin it is basically a way we just play certain notes and it sounds like a toggle might be very helpful to add or remove the tremolo marks. Having a feature that is easy to see that says "to remove tremolo" with that section of tools would be nice. Lots of instruction on how to add them in help, but not on removing them. Seems like that might be a nice feature to think about adding in the help instructions..? Just putting forth a few constructive suggestions that could help others.
See https://github.com/musescore/MuseScore/pull/7403.
This works for both one- and two-note tremolos, so I have removed the words "single note" from the issue title.
Fixed in branch 3.x, commit 91db282327
_Fix #305777: Make applying tremolo a toggle operation
Resolves: https://musescore.org/en/node/305777._
Fixed in branch master, commit 6cec105234
_Fix #305777: Make applying tremolo a toggle operation
Resolves: https://musescore.org/en/node/305777._
Automatically closed -- issue fixed for 2 weeks with no activity.
? This is a suggestion, so Reproducibility doesn't apply here.
It is missing, reproducible ;-) and closed, so doesn't matter at all