"Page Width" in Preferences/View: new zoom default?
Using the latest version ( 86614bb), I was very surprised by the display of the page. The new default (?) in Preferences/Score/View , seems to be "Page Width", instead of the 100% zoom in previous versions.
I must have missed something, has it been discussed and validated somewhere?
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Ok, got it: #68431: Save zoom level with scores, keyboard shortcut for "Zoom to Page Width", ability to set default zoom to "Page Width"
I'm pretty sure that the reaction of users discovering this will be close to mine!
In reply to Ok, got it: #68431: Save… by cadiz1
I knew the option was coming and was looking forward to it, but I agree it should have been made the default. I'm trying to get clarification on that.
In reply to I knew the option was coming… by Marc Sabatella
"Page Width" IMHO is a far better default than "100%"
In reply to "Page Width" IMHO is a far… by Jojo-Schmitz
Your opinion, not mine.
In reply to Your advice, not mine. by cadiz1
Of course ;-)
In reply to Of course ;-) by Jojo-Schmitz
Perhaps there should be an option to keep the zoom level the same as when the last session closed.
In reply to Perhaps there should be an… by SteveBlower
Which it does I believe
In reply to Which it does I believe by Jojo-Schmitz
So what is this default setting for? It seems like it can never work. if Musescore always remembers the zoom from last time, when does this default get used?
In reply to So what is this default… by SteveBlower
It gets used only for new scores. (Existing scores have their individual zoom settings saved into them.) I have a PR in progress that improves the tooltip text to explain this better.
In reply to It gets used only for new… by Spire42
Well, scores saved in 3.5 might get the zoom settings saved, but not older scores. The default set in preferences will be used for those as well.
In reply to It gets used only for new… by Spire42
Thanks. It makes more sense now. But the option to base the new score zoom on that of the last session might still be useful. It saves the user going through the edit preferences route.
In reply to I knew the option was coming… by Marc Sabatella
I agree with you, but didn't object to the change at the time because I thought it was strongly supported and I would just get outvoted.
“Page Width” can be very useful for some, but it's all but useless if you have a high-DPI display, which many people do these days. Because the utility of “Page Width” varies so widely, I don't think it's a good candidate for being the default zoom type for all fresh installations of MuseScore.
(An aside: On my system, “Whole Page” works the best, but I'm sure that it would be terrible for a lot of users.)
I really like the option to select the default zoom type, but I think the factory default should still be changed back to the safe and predictable “100%”.
In reply to I agree with you, but didn't… by Spire42
"Whole page" surely does not make a good default, unless you have a real big screen
In reply to "Whole page" surely does not… by Jojo-Schmitz
That was my point exactly. I was suggesting “100%”, not “Whole Page”.
In reply to That was my point exactly. I… by Spire42
100% was the old default. I like "Page Width" (much) better, first thing I switch to if not set already.
In reply to I agree with you, but didn't… by Spire42
I'm not sure what DPI has to do with anything, the physical size of your screen seems much more relevant. Also whether you typically work with MuseScore maximized / fullscreen or not, whether you typically keep the Inspector & Palettes windows open, whether your scores tend to be portrait or landscape orientation, the page and staff size you typically work with, and so forth.
In reply to I'm not sure what DPI has to… by Marc Sabatella
I'm not sure what DPI has to do with anything, the physical size of your screen seems much more relevant.
They're both important. It doesn't matter if you have a huge screen if it has a very low DPI; conversely, it doesn't matter if you have a very high-DPI screen if it's too tiny to read comfortably.
But anyway, the point is I agree with you that the default should be changed back to “100%”.
In reply to I'm not sure what DPI has to… by Spire42
The part I don't understand is why you'd say Page Width is useless if you have a high DPI screen. To me, page width is actually pretty awesome, I use it quite often on both of my regular systems, both of which are high DPI but not particularly large. And I'd still find it awesome if it were not high DPI, given the same size screen. But I don't use this setting all the time, not because my display is high DPI, but because sometimes I'm working on a score where it just doesn't make sense, or I've temporarily reduced my window size, etc. So I'm personally not sure which I'll want to set as the default for my own use - 100% or page width. But I'm very happy to have a shortcut to switch between them!
In reply to The part I don't understand… by Marc Sabatella
Unfortunately there are no shortcuts for Whole Page / Two Pages as it is
FWIW, and it's just my personal experience of course, but if we were "voting", page-width on my system entirely supersedes the use cases for zooming to 100% on my particular screen.
In reply to Unfortunately there are no… by worldwideweary
This might be too much to ask, but I'm having difficulty imagining 100% zoom being better on some screens than page-width. If any users feel this way and have some extra time on their hands to demonstrate side by side screenshots of page-width versus 100% where 100% is superior, I'd really appreciate some captures here for personal reasons and maybe some description.
In reply to This might be too much to… by worldwideweary
I posted something similar on the developer chat, but for the sake of further discussion, here's a couple of example, not as contrived as you might thing.
12" screen, MuseScore window placed in right half so left half can be a PDF or whatever else:
Of course, I'd probably close the Inspector in this case as 100% isn't so useful either, but this illustrated the basic issue of cases where your window is small.
A more common case for me is here, a big band score in landscape mode, staff space size is 1mm so it's pretty small at 100% but completely unusable when reduced to page width:
Then, imagine you're on a 27" monitor and want to view an ordinary score. Does it really need to be twice as big as life?