Since each language has their own naming conventions, it also makes sense that a foreign-speaking user would see the interface sort the list alphabetically, sorted in their own language.
One thing we have to take into account is this: There are thousands problems to solve
and so many wishes so that it is impossible to fulfill all of them.
They are not "unsorted' - they are sorted logically. So that things that are typically used together get grouped together. Same as for the palette. It results in objectively less mouse movement, less clicking, etc, to have all the things to overall score appearance together, those relating to notes & rests together, those relating to text together, those relating to lines together, those relating to other markings together, etc.
That makes sense, but they are actually not grouped in a visible way. Maybe they are positioned in a logical way that puts together related styles one after the other, but they are not grouped.
It would be very nice if you could visibly separate (with some kind of graphical separator) those different groups of settings, so that the scrolling and finding the desired style could be easier and faster. For example, the 4 first styles - "Score", "Page", "Sizes" and "Header & Footer" - could be in a group called "Page styles" or something like that.
Because it's a slog and a waste of users' time to try to visually locate the needed setting with no methodology to why they are sorted that way.
Multiply this by the number of users, and it's a small improvement that can reduce the time spent in this screen.
Answered how to handle translations in a separate thread, in this post
Sorry for the intrusion. Consider that when that window is open (3.6.2) typing a letter even repeatedly, as in other software, highlights the item in the list. It is not what you would want but it helps.
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Why?
What about translations into other languages?
In reply to Why? What about translations… by Jojo-Schmitz
Sort them according to their translations?
In reply to Sort them according to their… by jeetee
Results in deferent items being at different places depending on the language. Not a good UI
In reply to Sort them according to their… by jeetee
to Jetee:
Yes, this sounds good!
Since each language has their own naming conventions, it also makes sense that a foreign-speaking user would see the interface sort the list alphabetically, sorted in their own language.
In reply to Sort them according to their… by jeetee
All that had been discussed numerous times (mainly for palettes), and equally often dismissed
In reply to All that had been discussed… by Jojo-Schmitz
Why has this been dismissed?
I mean, is there any user test data that backs up the decision to keep any list unsorted?
In reply to Why has this been dismissed?… by wgxm6fpywp
One thing we have to take into account is this: There are thousands problems to solve
and so many wishes so that it is impossible to fulfill all of them.
In reply to One thing we have to take… by oMrSmith
Thanks
In reply to Why has this been dismissed?… by wgxm6fpywp
They are not "unsorted' - they are sorted logically. So that things that are typically used together get grouped together. Same as for the palette. It results in objectively less mouse movement, less clicking, etc, to have all the things to overall score appearance together, those relating to notes & rests together, those relating to text together, those relating to lines together, those relating to other markings together, etc.
In reply to They are not "unsorted' -… by Marc Sabatella
That makes sense, but they are actually not grouped in a visible way. Maybe they are positioned in a logical way that puts together related styles one after the other, but they are not grouped.
It would be very nice if you could visibly separate (with some kind of graphical separator) those different groups of settings, so that the scrolling and finding the desired style could be easier and faster. For example, the 4 first styles - "Score", "Page", "Sizes" and "Header & Footer" - could be in a group called "Page styles" or something like that.
In reply to Why? What about translations… by Jojo-Schmitz
>Why?
Because it's a slog and a waste of users' time to try to visually locate the needed setting with no methodology to why they are sorted that way.
Multiply this by the number of users, and it's a small improvement that can reduce the time spent in this screen.
Answered how to handle translations in a separate thread, in this post
+1, if only, I mean at least the english list ;)
If there was a button to sort alphab., I would certainly click it.
In reply to +1 by oMrSmith
Sorry for the intrusion. Consider that when that window is open (3.6.2) typing a letter even repeatedly, as in other software, highlights the item in the list. It is not what you would want but it helps.
In reply to Sorry for the intrusion… by Shoichi
Did not know that, appreciated!