multiple jumps and repetitions
Dear Mr. Sabatella,
Dear users,
I am pretty lost in my score.
I need do repeat n-times middle part with a few small voltas.
I use version 4.0.
I tried multiple jumps via dal segno, but it seems I do not understand the logic of it.
See the file attached and please help, if you can.
Thanks!
Sincerely
JK
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You wrote:
I am pretty lost in my score.
After looking at your picture, I am lost too... ;-)
So, here's a simpler version from which to start:
Jumps_version4-2.mscz
It may be what you want. If not, explain exactly what should be changed.
In reply to You wrote: I am pretty lost… by Jm6stringer
Dear Mr. Jm6stringer,
thank you, but I can do this.
I need:
intro Voltas121212 ending
Do you have an idea?
I do not...
Sincerely
jk
In reply to Dear Mr. Jm6stringer, thank… by Jeroným Klimeš
A volta is an alternate ending to a repeated section, not a complete musical motif by itself.
Play this attachment:
Jumps_version4-3.mscz
What I call "melody" here gets played first with volta 1, then with volta 2, then with volta 1, then with volta 2, then with volta 1, finally with volta 2. So, as you wrote: Voltas 121212.
Although it is 2 voltas, they must be numbered with an alternating sequence to get the 121212 playback.
In reply to You wrote: I am pretty lost… by Jm6stringer
I with my friend make music for a children theater. They need a complete audio output for the songs before the band will start to practice. So I look for a solution whether it is even possible in Musescore. Simply:
"jumps to a label and play to another mark
then do go to another jump or marker"
would be sufficient.
This is what I need in simple or more complex form:
In reply to I with my friend make music… by Jeroným Klimeš
This way?
In reply to This way? by Mr Fox
Why the 'Play count' set to 6 in measure 4?
See my earlier attachment - Jumps_version4-3.mscz - posted above.
In reply to Why the 'Play count' set to… by Jm6stringer
Okay, 'Play count' 4 is enough.
In reply to I with my friend make music… by Jeroným Klimeš
You wrote:
They need a complete audio output for the songs...
If you are producing audio, you can unroll most repeats since there is no need to save paper with all that notation compression.
If you are printing scores, you should realize that complex roadmaps can be taxing on human comprehension.
For example:
Crazy_Happy_Birthday 4.mscz
If you are testing MuseScore capabilities, then go for it:
Jumps_version4-4_needed_difficult-5.mscz
In reply to I with my friend make music… by Jeroným Klimeš
For musical theater, write it without repeats. Then it is easier to make changes, add lyrics, add notes etc. Only use lots of repeats if you are writing for a marching band and need to print it all one one piece of paper.
In reply to I with my friend make music… by Jeroným Klimeš
I agree with Jm6stringer and underquark that complex repetitions constructs should be avoided. Error prone for those who should play it and unnecessary for audio file generation. Copy and paste into additional measures is faster and clearer.
Nevertheless, Musescore can play it as you intented. I did it with MuS 3.6.2.
![ComplexRepeats.png]( "ComplexRepeats.png")
I've also attached the score so you can compare the differences. Look especially at the repeat bar lines and the number of repeats.
Maybe two D.S. commands at the second end are a bit dangerous, but MuS 3.6.2 accepts them like this.
In reply to I agree with Jm6stringer and… by HildeK
Thank you Sirs, for you kind cooperation and help!
You are sort of geniuses!
I solemnly promise I shall not try to understand why there should be the repeat attribute 4 times under prima volta that is played three times, and the repeat attribute 3 times under seconda volta that is played three times as well. The same way I gave up any further investigations why da capo is defined from segno to end when the end is just two bars aside. I take is as a joke of unfathomable fate... :-)
It does not work In the versions 2.#, which I still use most.
These examples should be put into documentation - do you have access into it?
By the way, Happy birthday is very funny. Do you have it on your page? I shall send it to my friends to stir up their intelligence.
On the repetitions, I fully agree. It is always compromise of space and comprehension. I have built a very long stand for note for my Yamaha - I can put there six sheets side by side. And for my PC, I have the workabout for turning pages:
http://klimes.mysteria.cz/clanky/ostatni/usb_obracec_stran/index.htm
If you have any question I will be happy to help. It is built in Linux, but it works in Windows too (I hope, as I have never tried).
Nice the rest of Saturday or what day you are actually having. We have Rainyday. :-)
Sincerely
JK
In reply to Thank you Sirs, for you kind… by Jeroným Klimeš
> why there should be the repeat attribute 4 times under prima volta that is played three times, and the repeat attribute 3 times under seconda volta that is played three times as well.
This is difficult to understand. Compare a standard volta construct with first and second ending. You need to set the repeat count to 2, even if the first volta is played only once. After all, the repeat block must be started twice.
You have to set the number of repetitions to one more than it seems necessary. And: if you give more repetitions than necessary, it doesn't matter ...
In reply to > why there should be the… by HildeK
I see. It is programmatic mystery behind... :-)
I put your advice here:
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/4/voltas
In reply to I put your advice here:… by Jeroným Klimeš
I fear that putting that example in the Handbook will confuse more people than it helps unless it is flagged up as being an advanced use of repeats and voltas. Nested repeats are confusing at the best of times.
In reply to I fear that putting that… by underquark
Did you add the heading "Example of complex volta setting"?
I think then it's fine and can help someone. The repetition with 1st and 2nd ending is simple, easy for everyone to understand and the right settings are set automatically, but complex variants are rarely found in examples.
In my opinion, it is good to have such an example.
In reply to I put your advice here:… by Jeroným Klimeš
The (new) example shown here:
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/4/voltas#volta-setting-example
is not much different from the one here:
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/voltas#Play_count
For translation purposes, though, it's best to avoid lots of explanatory text in an image. The MuseScore 3 image has a text explanation:
Measure 4 should have play count set to 4
Measure 6 should have play count set to 3
which is not embedded as part of the image. It is easily translated for non-English handbooks.
Also, showing a single staff rather than the grand staff would suffice.
In reply to The (new) example here:… by Jm6stringer
Maybe someone can copy the example from MuS 3 to the MuS 4 handbook?
I can't do it because I don't have MuS 4 running on my (Win 7) PC, so I can't give correct advice where to find the necessary settings.
In reply to Maybe someone can copy the… by HildeK
For this it would (have been) nice to attach the score used to create the image(s) to the page (and hide it).
That'd even sort the translatability issue.
Thank you for embedding the picture. I did not know how to do it.
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/3/voltas#Play_count
This example is excellent. I dare to say I hear it calling for a transfer into the handbook 4! :-)
If I knew it before, I would not have started this issue. I just utter wasted precious time of many people just because of not finding appropriate information.
In reply to Thank you for embedding the… by Jeroným Klimeš
Roger Huston, Transfer from Handbook3 retrieved!
https://musescore.org/en/handbook/4/measure-properties
While the example that got added to the handbook page of 4 was playing back as written in it, it was misleading in that it didn't honor the final end repeat when hitting the 6th volta (a 7th repeat should be taken according to standard notation).
I've replaced the example with an update version of the example (attached here for reference) that was used in the MS3 handbook.
In reply to While the example that got… by jeetee
French version of the example
In reply to French version of the example by babuto
It is a bit unfortunate that we can't add mscz files to handbook pages directly, not possible for the Mu4 handbook, but was possible for the Mu3 handbook
@shoogle?
In reply to It is a bit unfortunate that… by Jojo-Schmitz
It does work now (thanks @shoogle) and I've just done it for the English and French page
In reply to It does work now (thanks … by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks! Merci :-)