Syllable becomes left justified after pressing hyphen twice
Two hyphens after a syllable aligns that syllable to the left causing alignment issues when there are multiple verses.
To Reproduce
1. Make a new score and add three quarter notes one after the other to the first measure.
2. Add a lyric syllable to the first note and press the hyphen key twice (like you’re going to finish the word on the third note).
3. See error: alignment of syllable before dash is set to “align left”.
The attached screenshots illustrate the issue in real world situations—Christmas hymns. Notice how the hyphenated syllables negatively affect alignment.
Can anyone explain for what purpose this occurs, or if it is just a bug. Should the syllables not be centered, like every other syllable is?
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Comments
That's by design, this is for melismatic syllables, sung over more than one note
In reply to That's by design, this is… by Jojo-Schmitz
That works well for one verse, but not so well for multiple verses, as illustrated in the attached screenshots.
In reply to That works well for one… by Riley Sullivan
It does, just use an underscore (or 2) at the end of the single (or last) syllable words that span more than one note
In reply to It does, just use an… by Jojo-Schmitz
The examples I posted are directly from a hymnal, and they did not have underscores between the syllables that spanned more than one note.
In reply to The examples I posted are… by Riley Sullivan
These are melismatic syllables though, and a double dash resp. underscore is the way to tell MuseScore about this.
You can, however, also manually align the texts, via their properties
In reply to These are melismatic… by Jojo-Schmitz
"These are melismatic sylables though, and a double dash or underscore is the way to tell MuseScore about this."
Yes:
"You can, however, also manually align the texts, via their properties"
As shown in the second example of the attached score.
In reply to These are melismatic… by Jojo-Schmitz
Yup. Manually aligned.
In reply to Yup. Manually aligned. … by bobjp
Looks as if those notes are not to be sung
In reply to Looks as if those notes are… by Jojo-Schmitz
Maybe, but that is how it looks in a hymnal that I have, also. Official Presbyterian edition printed in 1958. That might not make it correct. Yet I think it is very easy to read.
In reply to Maybe, but that is how it… by bobjp
Same here. That's how all my hymnals look, and I have quite a few.
Does anyone else have an opinion on this?
In reply to Does anyone else have an… by Riley Sullivan
Elaine Gould's notation handbook Behind Bars has an entire chapter about Vocal Music (ch.15).
Of particular interest is the section "Syllable underlay" on p.439:
In reply to Elaine Gould's notation… by DanielR
She obviously did not grow up in the same country I did. Nor attend the same music school.
In reply to She obviously did not grow… by bobjp
She's British... (hence the name of the book, "Behind Bars", a US 'translation' should probably be named "Beyond Measures", the German one is named "Hals über Kopf", another play on words)
In reply to She's British... (hence the… by Jojo-Schmitz
I already knew she is British. Her book comes up often. But there are others books.
In reply to Elaine Gould's notation… by DanielR
I wonder if Ted Ross's book has anything about this. Unfortunately I don't have a copy.
In reply to I wonder if Ted Ross's book… by Riley Sullivan
Here's the thing: "rules" of notation change. From decade to decade and country to country. No one can fault you for writing what you think is the easiest to read.
In reply to Here's the thing: "rules" of… by bobjp
My thought exactly.
In reply to Here's the thing: "rules" of… by bobjp
Left-aligning melisma syllables as a general rule is practically universal in the US and Europe as well and has been for centuries (well, more than just a few decades) - this is hardly some case of Gould being out of step with common practice. There are, however, many cases of things being fudged for multiple verses where some have melisma at a particular point and others don't. So maybe those are the exceptions you are seeing in those hymnals. it's also the case that conventions differed, say, 300 years ago.
Anyhow, in cases where for whatever reason you wish to have a melisma syllable centered, just click the center icon to force it manually.
As a general comment:
It's important when writing music for others to read not to just do things because you personally think it is easier for you to read. The vast majority of people will find easiest that which is most familiar. Music that follows standard established convention will almost always be easier for most people to read than music that deviates from it unnecessarily.
So, relevant to the case at hand: if there is a specific hymnal used in a specific church that centers melismas according to a specific rule (e.g., in multiple verses situations with mixed melisma status only), and you are producing music to be read by the congregation of that specific church, then indeed, following the conventions of the hymnal they are most accustomed to makes sense.
For most cases, however, simply following standard procedure is going to be better for most readers, and that definitely means left-aligning melisma syllables in most cases.
In reply to Left-aligning melisma… by Marc Sabatella
Marc, as we discussed in another thread, the Barbershop Harmony Society would prefer that all lyrics stay centered on the notes. I've looked over some of our older charts, and this is how it's been done for many years. I took a short poll among the current copyists, and it's not just me. Other than centering those lyrics individually, is there any way to tell MSS4 to do it?
In reply to Marc, as we discussed in… by mikey12045
Just select all lyrics (right-click one, Select / Similar) and hit the center button in the Properties panel.
In reply to Just select all lyrics … by Marc Sabatella
Thanks. I’m still getting used to the Select Similar action.