Only play sound during playback, and not editing
Is there any way to make MuseScore only make sound when I am playing back the composition (i.e after pressing the spacebar), as opposed to playing each note I select and each note that I enter as well?
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+1
I'd love the option of toggling off playback of a clicked note or the note being entered—and for easy access I'd like to see that switch assignable to a keystroke. And to top it off a toggle button that users can add main toolbar and make prominently displayed.
scorster
In reply to +1 I'd love the option of… by scorster
Oh, but the clutter >:)
Note input playback can be turned off in preferences but there doesn't seem to be a keyboard shortcut for this option.
In reply to Note input playback can be… by yonah_ag
Thanks for pointing that out!
Regarding Preferences>Note Input>Play Notes When Editing, if we don't discover a shortcut (or hear of a shortcut, or a means for creating one) I'll post a request on Github.
In reply to Thanks for pointing that out… by scorster
P.S. Fwiw, I checked the source code within 3.x branch, and there is no correlated shortcut associated with this preference setting, so I highly doubt there to be one in 4 either.
In reply to P.S. Fwiw, I checked the… by worldwideweary
@worldwideweary Thanks for looking into the code. Much appreciated!
I've posted a request on Github for a Play Notes When Editing shortcut.
scorster
In reply to Note input playback can be… by yonah_ag
Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for
I guess I don't see the reason for this.
In reply to I guess I don't see the… by bobjp
OK. I'll answer my self. You want a way to turn off note input sound while editing. So you're asking for a button to be added to the UI or a shortcut to turn off sound.
So let's see. A shortcut would involve inter action with the keyboard. Possibly two or three keys. A button on the UI would involve some kind of maneuver to the button then a way to activate it.
On my keyboard there is a single button that turns off the speakers. One click.
In reply to OK. I'll answer my self. You… by bobjp
For keyboard oriented users a shortcut would fit better without losing the mouse position.
Accessibility can be better for some users via the keyboard.
(A button in the UI would also be one click.)
In reply to For keyboard oriented users… by yonah_ag
That is what I am saying. For keyboard users there is already a button on the keyboard that controls sound. No need for yet another shortcut. Nor use the mouse.
In reply to That is what I am saying… by bobjp
Oh bob, there just isn't any need for your statement...
In reply to Oh bob, there just isn't any… by worldwideweary
Can't I agree with someone?
In reply to Can't I agree with someone? by bobjp
Perhaps... ;)
In reply to Perhaps... ;) by worldwideweary
OK, then....
In reply to OK, then.... by bobjp
Be aware that plenty of keyboards such as standard 101/104 style keyboards (and the one I'm currently typing on) have no media controls (including mute). That is to say, it is erroneous to presume that there "already is a button on the keyboard that controls sound", let alone the fact that it would not serve the intention of receiving sound automatically during playback yet mute sound upon navigation/editing as with the preference setting earlier mentioned.
In reply to Oh bob, there just isn't any… by worldwideweary
OMG - If there ever was an understatement....
In reply to Oh bob, there just isn't any… by worldwideweary
OMG - If there ever was an understatement....
In reply to That is what I am saying… by bobjp
Re: bobjp • Apr 12, 2024 - 17:54
"That is what I am saying. For keyboard users there is already a button on the keyboard that controls sound".
I don't know what you mean. I have used Logitech K120 classic keyboards for many years and there is no sign of any mute button on them, (I have just double-checked), nor any other sound control button, nor has there ever been. Hence a keyboard shortcut in MS would be very useful.
In reply to I don't know what you mean… by yonah_ag
So you are talking about piano keyboards.
In reply to So you are talking about… by bobjp
I am truly baffled by some of your bizarre responses.
I am talking about a desktop computer keyboard.
The context of this thread is about computer keyboard input via MS shortcuts.
Let me introduce you to an information assistant to help prevent future confusion: https://www.google.com/
You can simply type any words into the input field and press enter, (on your computer keyboard, not your piano keyboard), and find relevant details relating to the words that you entered. The website is known as a "search engine" and is very useful for information on almost any subject.
In reply to I'm baffled by some of your… by yonah_ag
Dear Yonah-
That was fabulous! I'm LMAO!
My sincere sympathies.
You are not alone -by far-in your exasperation.
Herr Robert is a legend in his own mind.
He fancies himself as some sort of "technical" problem solver concerning the legion of issues with MuseScore.
On occasion he will justify his baffling replies by hinting at his vast array of hardware, his history with MS, and and his "technical expertise"
In fact, he is virtually useless.
His responses can be off-the-charts bizarre.
Here's a Forum exchange between this wizard and myself, going back almost a year now.
I've come to accept him as yet just another issue with Musescore.
Enjoy!
https://musescore.org/en/node/352470#comment-1237027
In reply to So you are talking about… by bobjp
I don't think Logitech builds piano keyboards
In reply to I don't know what you mean… by yonah_ag
On my Logitech K850 it is Fn+F8
In reply to On my Logitech K850 it is Fn… by Jojo-Schmitz
So it is, just checked a pic. Mine doesn't have those additions and I'm not keen on those half size function key buttons.
In reply to So it does, just checked a… by yonah_ag
It is wireless and supports up to 3 computers (like desktop, laptop, tablet), that's why I like it ;-)
In reply to It is wireless and supports… by Jojo-Schmitz
Sorry, I was "baffled" by a computer keyboard that didn't have a way to control sound. I checked my laptops and other keyboards ( including a K380, and a K400) and they all have some way to do this. Hence, my statement.
In reply to Sorry, I was "baffled" by a… by bobjp
Am I psychic?
As I said above...
"He fancies himself as some sort of "technical" problem solver concerning the legion of issues with MuseScore.
On occasion he will justify his baffling replies by hinting at his vast array of hardware, his history with MS, and and his "technical expertise""
In reply to Am I psychic? As I said… by gary23andrews
I have found him to be very useful. Personally I would rather not have a contributor shut down.
In reply to I have found him to be very… by xavierjazz
RE: Personally I would rather not have a contributor shut down.
Same here. Despite being obtuse and predictable, he's good for an occasional laugh.
In reply to RE: Personally I would… by gary23andrews
Of course he shouldn't be shut down. I cannot always decode the usefulness of some of his responses, (on the lines of, "I don't have your issue ... Use whichever version of MuseScore you want"), but he's always polite and tries to help.
To be fair I hadn't seen regular computer keyboards with sound control keys so I mis-understood his response but I think that he maybe assumed that all computer keyboards had such keys.
In relation to the toggle possibilities, out of curiosity, what would an icon look like to represent "Mute editing but not playback"? And uh, hopefully Bob's doin' alright.
In reply to In relation to the toggle… by worldwideweary
Perhaps something like this. First is Edit Sound OFF and then Edit Sounds ON and these titles would make decent tooltips. I can modify and render to SVG if that's helpful.
These are the ideas that originally came to me:
scorster
In reply to Perhaps something like this:… by scorster
It certainly would be useful to have an SVG (two for off/on) already for someone to implement as an optional icon for Note Entry toolbar... I think the format is 24x24 pixels (if that even makes any sense for a vector format...)
As an example here's the natural sign from the toolbar to grab the dimensions from it:
Edit: Actually, I'm not sure two icons would be useful. Nice as an idea, but MuseScore 3 (what about MS4?) at least doesn't have any icon changing at all whatsoever except for a drop down list for the Note Entry styles after being selected. Everything else merely highlights for on/off....
In reply to It certainly would be useful… by worldwideweary
Interesting. I hadn't consciously noticed that MuseScore doesn't show alternate icons—for instance, showing on hover an icon depicting the pending result state.
Anyhow, it sounds like you just need an ON icon (in SVG format) which you can size however you want without degradation. And you can set an alpha transparency (for instance to 20%) to get a gray OFF icon.
I've attached the SVG.
And here's a png version, where the pencil point is not evident enough. I can rework it tomorrow:
scorster
In reply to I hadn't consciously noticed… by scorster
Well, since you mentioned this was for teaching purposes over on github, I got a little motivated to get something going since it's fairly easy to implement on 3.7:
https://github.com/Jojo-Schmitz/MuseScore/pull/423
If all's well, artifact should show. Testing would be appreciated. If the icon should be updated later, that won't be a problem etc.
In reply to Well, since you mentioned… by worldwideweary
@worldwideweary
I loved seeing the new Edit Mute button in action at the link you provided!
I'll really enjoy using it. And I should have time to try it out later today.
Will users be able to assign it a keystroke?
scorster
In reply to @worldwideweary LOVED seeing… by scorster
Oh yeah, definitely, It'll function as any regular shortcut
Do comment if something funny is with it etc.
In reply to @worldwideweary LOVED seeing… by scorster
@worldwideweary
I looked for an artifact on the page you linked, but don't see one.
Am I looking in the wrong place?
In reply to I looked for an artifact on… by scorster
Allow me to demonstrate:
In reply to Allow me to demonstrate: … by worldwideweary
P.S. The speed in the screen-capture was mainly to reduce the file-size so it'd fit into the forum size constraints. Hope it helps.
In reply to P.S. The speed in the screen… by worldwideweary
Thanks! Yes, the GIF was pretty quick, but I was able to figure out the steps.
I found the artifact and was about to install from the disk image, which requires a trip to the terminal on MacOS ... but then I remembered that there's a giant 3.7 audio devices issue in recent versions.
After running xattr to unquarantine the app MuseScore 3.7 opens, but with playback disabled, and no devices selectable in Settings>I/O.
All to say, if that show stopping bug is extant I won't be able to test.
Will look into it later.
scorster
In reply to Thanks! Yes, the GIF was… by scorster
Oh, that sucks. I don't have a MacOS system so I can't test the problem either. I didn't know you don't have access to 3.7 builds in a full functional sense. I wonder if Jojo knows anything else about the problem
In reply to Oh, that sucks. I don't have… by worldwideweary
Unfortunately no
Well, except that it might be related to which Qt version is used on build, although that doesn't seem to be the whole story or only reason?!?
In reply to Oh, that sucks. I don't have… by worldwideweary
Yes, a real bummer ...
• This is the latest version of 3.7 I have that runs without the audio issue:
OS: macOS 10.16, Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.7.0.4524440406, revision: f3d36a3
• This is first version of 3.7 (that I downloaded) with the audio/playback issue:
OS: macOS 13.5, Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.7.0.7709149398, revision: cbcca1a
Obviously there may be many builds in-between without the audio issue, but here we are.
scorster
In reply to Yes, a real bummer ... The… by scorster
Well, that is about switching between Qt version 5.12.2 and 5.9.8
In reply to Yes, a real bummer ... The… by scorster
See https://github.com/Jojo-Schmitz/MuseScore/pull/93
Just rebased now, so a new version should be available soon
Edit: see https://github.com/Jojo-Schmitz/MuseScore/actions/runs/8734326368
Although that didn't help earlier, as per https://github.com/Jojo-Schmitz/MuseScore/issues/227
In reply to See https://github.com/Jojo… by Jojo-Schmitz
That version of 3.7 appears to open and immediately abend without a post mortem report.
I'll post more info shortly.
Update: Initially (post attr -c) MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.7.0.8734326368, revision: 5eab99e behaved as reported: abending immediately without a crash alert.
After restarting my Mac MS 3.7.0.8734326368 now opens fine ... but sadly Port Audio>Device is empty, as are all other I/O>Port Audio drop-down menus.
scorster
In reply to Well, since you mentioned… by worldwideweary
Back to the heart of the request ...
After installing 3.7.0.8734326368 and dequarantining it with xattr -c
• On opening the Edit Toolbar dialog, i.e. View>Toolbars>Edit Toolbar>Customize Toolbar
• I don't see Toggle Editing Sound Playback under Note Input>Available Actions (or under Actions)
UPDATE: Thanks to Jojo's input I dequarantined worldwide worry's MacOS build .0766
• It opens fine ... but only after restarting my Mac
• And indeed the Toggle Editing Sound Playback appears under Note Input>Available Actions!
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I decided to refine the SVG icon. Once rendered in the menu bar it lacks sufficient white space between the pencil elements (between the eraser and the stalk of the pencil; and between the point and the stalk of the pencil.)
SVG version 02 and PNG version 02 attached.
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Otherwise everything looks good and functions as expect! (Except as noted, the lack of auido— due to a separate issue.)
In reply to After installing, back to… by scorster
Ahem, sorry, that's not the purpose of that build... It'd need to get incorporated into @worldwideweary's PR
In reply to Ahem, sorry, that's not the… by Jojo-Schmitz
Ah, sorry for my misunderstanding.
In reply to Ah, sorry for my… by scorster
Nah, probably me not being explict enough
In reply to After installing, back to… by scorster
P.S. double checking MS's resources, I find there to be an edit icon. Maybe this should be used instead? Not important really, just figured I'd mention it (but it's tilted 45 degrees):
In reply to P.S. double checking MS's… by worldwideweary
I did consider the standard diagonal pencil... but then there's very little room for the "sound/speaker" image.
I'll mull this ...
The current version is certainly not clear as I'd like at the "24DPI" scale.
BTW, Did you use the SVG or the PNG as the Toolbar icon resource? I'm just wondering if MuseScore renders the SVG "directly" on screen or if we're seeing a fixed PNG in the toolbar. If so, it's not doing a great job.
In reply to I did consider the standard… by scorster
I was thinking maybe we could rotate it to be upright and fit it like you have (for the sake of uniformity, not because of any flaw of your design). I actually used your first PNG and traced it to convert into SVG. This was slightly before you provided an SVG on the forums, ...kinda beat you to it (that's why it's not super crisp... didn't really care at the moment just wanted to get it functioning for testing, so it's not one-to-one with your design at the moment. In the mean time you can't even hear a difference for the core functionality :-/ But it's no thing to update the SVG so let me know over here and I'll replace it. I can use what you most recently posted soon. It'll be no problem to update it
Aside: It would be neat if somehow the audio problem was resolved for your Mac situation. By the way, have you tried using the Wine translator for running Windows apps on your Mac? I wonder if that would actually work (provide audio....) Could be worth a shot in the meantime...
In reply to I did consider the standard… by scorster
Please see the attached diagonal Mute Editing Sounds v3 icons.
In reply to Please see the attached… by scorster
These also look pretty good ;)
In reply to These also look pretty good … by worldwideweary
Oops. I forgot to remove my reddish-colored bounding box guideline.
I've revised both formats (to v03, in the attachments) a couple of posts above.
In reply to These also look pretty good … by worldwideweary
I've just installed this version of Evo:
OS: Windows 10 Version 2009 or later, Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore version (64-bit): 3.7.0.8719927456, revision: 11bf051
but I can't see the new mute icon. Where should I be looking?
In reply to I've installed this: OS:… by yonah_ag
The PR isn't merged yet, yo you'd need to use its artifact, not just eny from the 3.x branch
Try the one from https://github.com/Jojo-Schmitz/MuseScore/actions/runs/8708890764
In reply to The PR isn't merged yet, yo… by Jojo-Schmitz
Thanks! Got it now, (and it works). It's useful how these 'non-installed' versions can co-exist.
One final option with note input playback would be to be able to set a velocity. The duration can be set but not the velocity and it seems to be fixed at ff.
In reply to Thanks! Got it now, (and it… by yonah_ag
If fixed it should rather be mf, i.e. the default velocity of 80
In reply to If fixed it should rather be… by Jojo-Schmitz
Maybe it is but that can be deafening when the section that I'm working on is at pp and the PC master volume is high.
In reply to Thanks! Got it now, (and it… by yonah_ag
I'd also welcome some options for entered or clicked note volume. For instance,
1) as requested here, a clicked note emits the same volume as it would during playback, in other words, plays at a volume consistent with its velocity and dynamic level combined.
2) with regard to a note being entered
a) it could sound at a volume equal to the preceding note
b) it could sound at a user assignable fixed velocity/volume
NOTE: a) and b) would only affect the volume during entry, not during playback.
Please post replies at the link supplied.
scorster
In reply to I'd also welcome some… by scorster
Oh, I forgot about that. I've had a playback option in my build for years to use the score dynamics instead of stuck at mf or whatever so that navigating the score sounds like what it will playback as.
I had a few PRs back then like updating the on-screen keyboard to show ornaments (trills/tremolos/mordent/turns) on playback about the same time, and getting SVG export to honor the "staff type changes" on output, quick voice-1-4 filter via shortcuts etc but most "fell through the cracks" when they stopped 3.6 development in order to "focus on version 4" and so I never tried to pull-request. I wonder if someone in the modern development will implement some of this stuff sometime.
In reply to Oh, I forgot about that. I… by worldwideweary
Feel free to PR it against 3.7.
I'll see whether they can get ported to master,if not it is at least in 3.7 😉
In reply to Feel free to PR it against 3… by Jojo-Schmitz
Ok, I may. It's tangled up with a whole piano tutor system thing though unfortunately as one huge commit, so I might not mess with it for now
In reply to Oh, I forgot about that. I… by worldwideweary
Re " I wonder if someone in the modern development will implement some of this stuff sometime."
I get the distinct impression that MS4 is still in fire-fighting development mode. So much resource has gone into the UI and sound engine that much MS3 essential functionality and useful functionality is still playing catch up in MS4. On top of that, it looks like a major rewrite and is thus still suffering from bug exterminations that a more mature product has already been through.
Using MIDI Out into a VST3 with MS3 produces fantastic playback so until MS4 catches up with the functionality of MS3.7 I won't be making the transition. MS3.7 sets the standard for free notation software.
In reply to Re " I wonder if someone in… by yonah_ag
Oh reminds me i mentioned similarly back in 2016 https://musescore.org/en/node/124636 and even scorster responded in 2022 haha. Havin a little De ja vu...
In reply to Oh reminds me i mentioned… by worldwideweary
Thanks for posting. That's both hilarious and heartening!
I've add the link to my Github request.
scorster
In reply to Thanks for posting. That's… by scorster
P.S. The newer icon looks nice in my opinion:
I'll update the PR later on
In reply to P.S. The newer icon looks… by worldwideweary
Yes, quite crisp. And it seems logical enough.
I'm curious. Is MuseScore using my SVG or the PNG as its icon resource?
In reply to Yes, very crisp. And it… by scorster
Musescore uses SVGs for icons, so it's using an altered SVG of what was provided on this forum topic (had to update color and edges/fit into the usual size)