Add/remove system breaks
The Format > "Add/remove system breaks" function in previous versions has been replaced by a Format > "Measures per system" function in version 4.5. Is the old "Add/remove system breaks" function still available somewhere?
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I don't think so. And why would you want the previous function?
In reply to Nope. And why would you want… by cadiz1
I find it useful and use it all the time.
In reply to I find it useful and use it… by ozmusicman88
Me too. But how is it really different?
In reply to Mee too. But how is it… by cadiz1
I understand "Add/remove system breaks" but I don't understand system locks, which seems more complicated.
In reply to I understand "Add/remove… by ozmusicman88
They want you to lock everything because 4.5 might respace everything otherwise
In reply to They want you to lock… by bobjp
even within 4.5 it seems not to be able to keep the layout. I made 3 instruments in a specific layout yesterday, have printed pdf, but unfortunately i had to correct few mistakes. after opening the layout suddenly changed and I can't get it how it was. Didn't change anything as far as I know after the save yesterday
In reply to even within 4.5 it seems not… by mcbecht
Unless you use system breaks, 4.5 will indeed reset your score. They say it is to save space.
In reply to even within 4.5 it seems not… by mcbecht
Best to attach your score and explain in more detail. Certainly the layout shouldn't be changing from one moment to the next in the same version, but it's just as certainly true there might be some layout changes here and there between versions.
In reply to I understand "Add/remove… by ozmusicman88
It's not more complicated - it works more simpler and better than better. Adding breaks every four bars might still leave you with systems that have only three bars because a fourth didn't fit (so the next system would have only one). The new function actually forces all four bars to fit. So, use it exactly as you always have - it just works better now.
In reply to It's not more complicated -… by Marc Sabatella
I preferred the way Add/remove system breaks used to work. For me the system locks are more complicated (and ugly) so I am going back to the previous version and won't update again.
In reply to I preferred the way Add… by Nik A
Measures per system works exactly the same way. Who cares what the "system lock" symbol looks like? It doesn't print and doesn't display on .PDF and doesn't make any difference to the sound.
Going back to the previous version gives you more known bugs (that will never be fixed ... because they were fixed by the new version). Your choice, but the intelligent option is obvious. *shrug*
In reply to It's not more complicated -… by Marc Sabatella
So I'm going to have to live with system locks. I found I could get rid of the ghastly scar colour by going to Edit > Preferences > Advanced and changing Formatting colour to pale grey. However I could not find how to add a system lock manually, which I now need to do because export to pdf does not respect system breaks anymore. The only way I can get a pdf that matches the MuseScore view is print to pdf.
In reply to So I'm going to have to live… by Nik A
? Exporting most certainly respects both breaks and locks; where did you get the idea that it doesn’t?
To add locks, there are several ways. Simplest in most cases is to use Alt+Up/Down to move measures between systems, which adds locks as it does so. Or select them measures you want to be a system and hit Alt+S to force them onto one system and add the locks automatically. Or if the measures are already where you want them, then instead of Enter to add an old-style break to the last measure, press Alt+Enter to make it a lock, which is the same thing but better because now it won’t later turn into two systems just because you add a note or two somewhere. Or if you have breaks everywhere you want them, simply run Format / Measures per system, and choose the option to add locks to each system. Much simpler and much more powerful than what was possible before.
In reply to ? Exporting most certainly… by Marc Sabatella
Alt+Enter is what I was looking for but adding locks is still not fixing the pdf export. Attached are my MuseScore files and export/print to pdf results. If I end lines with system breaks or system locks and export to pdf the page is reformatted with different breaks. Only if I print to pdf do I get a pdf that matches the MuseScore view like export to pdf used to do. It is not file-specific, it has happened with every other file I tested so far.
OS: Windows 10 Version 2009 or later, Arch.: x86_64, MuseScore Studio version (64-bit): 4.5.1-250800846, revision: 603eca8
In reply to Alt+Enter is what I was… by Nik A
This has nothing to do with export versus print. You apparently exported the part, not the score. Just as in every previous release of MuseScore ever, the formatting of the score is independent from that of the part. Since your score has only a single part, there is no need to be exporting the part at all - just export the score. Again, exactly as has been the case in previous releases.
The only reason it appears that "print to pdf" worked is that you did in fact print the score and not the part. But had you opened and visited the tab for the bass part, you'd have seen you have no yet added any breaks there, and printing from that tab would have produced the exact same unformatted result. Again, exactly as it would have been in previous releases.
If in other scores you do have multiple parts, then be sure to actually do your desired in formatting in each of the parts before exporting - each part can have its own independent formatting to suit the need of the music. Again, exactly as has been the case in previous releases.
In reply to This has nothing to do with… by Marc Sabatella
What's new is that in 4.x there are always parts (to export), you don't need to generate them anymore, like you had to in 2.x and 3.x. If need be, 4.x generates them automacically (for export and for that only).
In reply to What's new is that in 4.x… by Jojo-Schmitz
Sort of, but not really - the default parts show up in the Parts dialog but they don't actually exist until you hit "Open all parts", which for all practical purposes does the same as the infamous "New all".
In any case, that has no bearing on the behavior of Export. I guess a difference could be, you wouldn't even have had the option of exporting a PDF for the part, so maybe it would have been less common to make the mistake being made here (only if you had already generated the parts would you be in a position to mess up the export).
But still, that is a difference from MU3 to MU4, not anything new having to do with 4.5 and system locks.
In reply to Sort of, but not really -… by Marc Sabatella
They are generated on export, and for export only, that's the new thing in 4.x. Indeed nothing to do with system locks.
Question is what's more confusing, this 4.x behavoir or the 3.x need to generate them first in case you want them.
We got countless question about either in the forum...
In reply to They are generated on export… by Jojo-Schmitz
Indeed. Maybe the solution is, somehow mark the parts in the Export dialog as not yet generated - a different color, perhaps, and a note in the dialog that these parts have no been generated and thus have no formatting? But that still won't really solve it, because if people have generated the parts but not done any formatting, they'll be in the same boat.
In reply to Indeed. Maybe the solution… by Marc Sabatella
But then they'd at least (have a chance to) know about them