New, unknown type of double bar line???

• Mar 18, 2025 - 20:20

In the Manuscript copy of Marin Marais' Alcyone, there is a new type of double bar line that i havent seen before? its a double bar line, with a weries of dots in the middle. this also appears in the bayun manuscript. does this have a name?i dont see it in the bar line library...

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• Mar 28, 2025 - 22:32

I’ve checked the IMSLP manuscript. The bar line filled with dots is a repeat, taking you back to the very start of the piece. The second time through you jump to the bar after that bar line - the thick wavy line below the staff is a standard way of marking first- and second-time bars. Several pages later there is another similar repeat with first- and second-time bars.

I’m used to this style from playing from the facsimile editions of Marais’ Pieces de Viole with my other half. If you’re transcribing it in Musescore just use the modern styles of repeats

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• Mar 29, 2025 - 01:01

would it be the start of the piece or the start of the specifc phrase? there are regular double bar lines in the piece as well, so im wondering: 'what are the conventions of using them'? is it only the regular do, or double bar line, or at the new title? (ex; air des faunes et driades, or lentement)

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• Mar 29, 2025 - 14:31

As I wrote above, “The bar line filled with dots is a repeat, taking you back to the very start of the piece.” Think of classical sonatas that repeat the first section. After playing that first section for the second time you skip to the second-time bar, marked “Gay” and continue. That second section also repeats, with first- and second-time bars

Regular double bar lines are used just like modern double bar lines, marking the end of a section or movement. I don’t know what you mean by “the regular do.”

In the “Air des Farnese et driades” the first repeat goes back to the beginning of that section, then as above skip to the second-time bar. When you repeat that second section you go back to the Segno half-way through the second-time bar and play from there to the end.

It may help you to look at IMSLP’s contemporary print (Paris,1706) which as far as I can see expands all the repeats: https://imslp.org/wiki/Alcyone_(Marais,_Marin)

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• Mar 29, 2025 - 15:27

Which bit are you referring to? Generally the “slur like marking” is what in the modern style is printed as horizontal brackets indicating the first-time and second-time bars at a repeat bar line. The right-hand end of the “slur” leads you to the first note of the next section to be played (which may be the first section again) - or if it is at the end of the piece, to the final bar.

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