Totally seperate lines of music on same page
Can Musescore4 do .... Totally seperate lines of music on same page......
eg.... have a staff showing several bars of a tune in one or 2 lines......
Then add some descriptive text below the staffs describing or explaining what music is shown above....
Then ..... another staff or 2 staffs showing several notes of the next bit of music (not same tune and not connected to the first staff) ..... and then some descriptive text below that......
When I try to do this type of thing I always seem to have to go to new score and this creates a new sheet and all staffs on the sheet are connected....????
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Append a frame (and apply a sectio break to it), then append more measures, then another frame (and apply a sectio break to it) and append more measures, leather, rinse, repeat, ad lib.
You wrote:
> ...this creates a new sheet and all staffs on the sheet are connected. <
See the difference between "staff":
https://handbook.musescore.org/formatting/page-layout-concepts#staff
and "system":
https://handbook.musescore.org/formatting/page-layout-concepts#system
Instruments notated in a system all play concurrently, so in that sense they are 'connected'. (Think of a string quartet, with 4 staves to a system.)
You wrote:
> Then ..... another staff or 2 staffs showing several notes of the next bit of music (not same tune and not connected to the first staff) <
This "next bit of music" would normally start a new system. If you are changing the number of instruments playing this next bit of music, you can hide empty staves for any instruments that stop playing.
See:
https://handbook.musescore.org/notation/instruments-staves-and-systems/…
Not sure if I am asking the right questions....? or following the correct sequence when doing it.
When I try the section breaks etc I get the lines of music (staffs) on seperate lines OK, and big spaces between them, but they still seem to be linked.... If I transpose one of the lines the other line transposes as well...
I was wanting independant, totally seperate lines of music, just added as you would a line of text iin a word document but for it to be done within Musescore and active within musescore and play independently in musescore as a seperate line of music...??
In reply to Not sure if I am asking the… by muselt
After the section breaks apply new key and time signatures
Still transposing might transpose everything unless you select the measures to transpose
Thanks for replies...... I have tried the suggestions here but find that 2 or more lines of music split by using breaks etc means the staffs are still linked in some way.....
What I have found is if I have each seperate line as a separate instrument and get rid of all the lines connecting them then the two staffs behave seperately and I can put text boxes etc in between them etc...... I have attached a demo of what I think works for me now....
In reply to Thanks for replies...... I… by muselt
You're having 2 instruments there, one system. No section break, no vertical frames, not anything I told you to do...
Check the attached
In reply to You're having 2 instriments… by Jojo-Schmitz
Looked at your attachment, and it shows the text boxes OK but the staffs are both D major written and Bb sounding. and the the transposition of the staff properties are same for both and if one changes.... then both changes.... so that is what I mean they are not totally seperate or independant.
But my version gives me now what I want to show...... I want to show various staffs in different keys written pitch transposing to various keys in sounding pitch and making changes not to affect any of the others.
Regards trying your outline procedures in your earlier posts..... I can create the new staff and append the text frame but I am unable to attach a section break to it. I can type text in the text frame and see the red dotted line to the corner but no matter how I drag and drop the section break it will not let me attach it..... always has a red circle with red diagonal across it.
In reply to Looked at your attachment,… by muselt
You wrote:
> I want to show various staffs in different keys written pitch transposing to various keys in sounding pitch and making changes not to affect any of the others. <
Here's an example based on your HumptyScore (which has Bb major as the sounding pitch):
written vs sounding.mscz
In reply to Looked at your attachment,… by muselt
Ah, I missed the different transpositioning of the 2nd instrument
Try this
In reply to Thanks for replies...... I… by muselt
Is This for playback?
In reply to Is This for playback? by bobjp
No, for Demo and explanation of what is transposing
If done in Musescore the staffs would be active and would play and could be switched on/off as needed
I could do same type of thing in graphics package but would just be pictures and text
In reply to No, for Demo and explanation… by muselt
Perhaps you are talking about transposing instruments? For example, the flute is a C instrument and the horn is an F instrument and the trumpet is a Bb instrument. If so, MuseScore can handle them automatically.
In the example score attached, I have included a flute, a horn, a trumpet, and a piano. Notice that each system (five staves, two for the piano and one for each other instrument) are notated in different keys and have different notes. However, when you play them, they all sound the same pitch. Click the Concert Pitch button at the bottom of the MuseScore Studio screen and you'll see that they are, in fact, playing the same pitches. Just because they are transposing instruments they are notated as if they were playing in a different key.
The second system--after the System Break: see the top staff, first row, at the far right end--has a similar song (duh! another scale), notated in a similar fashion, in a different key. Changing the music from one key to another is another use of the term "transposing".
Either transposing instruments or transposing a piece of music from one key to another might be what you are referring to with your mention of "transposing". (Or perhaps you are referring to something completely else.) So, perhaps you should explain to us what sort of thing you are trying to demonstrate and explain.
In reply to Thanks for replies...... I… by muselt
In your attached HumptyScore, the first line; "Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall" is played at the same time as the second line: "Humpty Dumpty had a big fall". Shouldn't the second line follow after the first?
You have two instruments in the same system. They are not truly separate. Try this: Ctrl+Del a measure in your first line, and your second line loses a corresponding measure - because it's in the same system.
In reply to In your attached HumptyScore… by Jm6stringer
Yes, I see that now, but that not really a problem, for what i am doing I can keep a fixed number of measures each staff.. So there are several suggestions here over the last few posts but none seem to give independant staves...... some needing more steps than others....... I still cannot get the system breaks to anything useful..?
My version of just adding instruments and spacing out is easiest.. When I hide a staff/inst I am loosing the inst name on the other displayed insts. .... why is that..?
In reply to Yes, I see that now, but… by muselt
For what you want, I think your method is probably the best. If playback were involved, I think you would need to start a completely different score on the same page. I don't think MuseScore can do that yet.
In the attached score, I can hide an instrument and not loose the other instrument names.
In reply to For what you want, I think… by bobjp
> "If playback were involved, I think you would need to start a completely different score on the same page. I don't think MuseScore can do that yet."
Certainly it can. That's exactly what the Section Break does: starts a completely different score on the same page: 20250421 165222.mscz
@muselt :: Do you have only two instruments? If you are displaying only a single instrument, the default is to not show the instrument name. If you want different behavior, go to Format / Style / Score / Instrument names and uncheck the box labeled Hide if there is only 1 instrument. This will make the instrument name visible whether there is one or multiple.
However, I can't understand how you think that using multiple instruments works for you. "Multiple instruments" is about as far from being "totally separate lines of music on same page" (as you described in your thread title) as it is possible to get. Two instruments in one system are connected almost as tightly as it is possible to connect staves in MuseScore.
In reply to > "If playback were involved… by TheHutch
Not quite completly different: same instruments, same style settings
In reply to Yes, I see that now, but… by muselt
You wrote:
> I still cannot get the system breaks to anything useful..? <
Okay, so when you select a barline, then press Enter, what happens?
Please attach an example explaining specifically where you wish to place a system break - and it doesn't work.
In reply to You wrote: > I still cannot… by Jm6stringer
Sorry, Got I it wrong again..... System Breaks are OK..... I use them all the time to break staves up into so many measures per staff....... It is Section Breaks I meant in my earlier post that I could not see how to use them
In reply to Sorry, Got I it wrong again… by muselt
I still think that the way you are doing it is the best for your situation.
Another way would be to screen shot lines a put them in a word document. Just depends.