Segno, coda, repeat, jump. problems
MuseScore2 does not obey repeats and jumps. Segnos, Dal segno al fine/coda etc.
MuseScore2 passes them and playing jumps over segno as if the segno doesn’nt exists.
The earlier MuseScore had ”codaa” ”codab” ”segnoa, segnob”. And it was possibility to give orders eg. ”return to segnoa and play to ”D.S al Fine”. Or return to segnoa and play to codaa, where jump to codab.
This doesn’t work in Musescore2
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MuseScore 2 does obey Segnos and codas and it should do it better than MuseScore 1.3. If it's not the case for you, can you check if the "Play repeat button" at the right of the play button in the toolbar is pressed? If yes, can you attach a score that is not working?
@Eeropekka, not missing End / Start repeat?
In reply to @Eeropekka, not missing End / by Shoichi
Ok.In Finnish: Pitäkää tunkkinne (keep your jack). (English: forget it. let it be.)
Could someone explain how the codaa, codab etc markings work? I couldn't find any mention in the manual.
In reply to Could someone explain how the by geetar
See https://musescore.org/en/node/36001
In reply to See by Jojo-Schmitz
I'm not asking about CODA, Dal Segno, etc. I'm asking about the "codaa", "codab" etc. The latter isn't mentioned in the manual.
In reply to I'm not asking about CODA, by geetar
these are the names or tags of the jump marks described in that page
In reply to I'm not asking about CODA, by geetar
MuseScore can manage rather complex times. See attached file:
Reprises complexes.mscz
Studying the properties of tags ( in the Inspector ). You can rename the tags, simply find their names in the properties of their respective jumps.
Note that 2 jumps applications can target the same segno.
Note also - here - the interweaving of these two D.S. al Coda ; )
In reply to MuseScore can manage rather by Miré
My English is not sufficient enough to understand, sorry. I'll try to find help in Finnish forums.
As an example I have downloaded Tosca-waltz with D.C al Coda. In MS 1.0 version it worked as it should work. But in MS 2.0.1 it plays as if codas don't exist.
In reply to My English is not sufficient by Eeropekka
If you attach the score you are having problems with, we can try to help. Probably there is an error in the score that 1.3 did not detect.
In reply to My English is not sufficient by Eeropekka
@Eeropekka, I just removed the symbol from the measure 30, It is so that you need?
(courage, I do not even speak English and do not understand music too, but the community is great)
In reply to @Eeropekka, I just removed by Shoichi
Assuming you are talking about https://musescore.com/user/62641/scores/920211, the problem is you used the wrong type of repeat symbol in bar 30. It should be a "To coda", not a "Coda". You can edit the text of the sign after adding it, so that it *looks* like a coda sign, but you have to add the correct type of symbol to begin with.
This was the case in 1.3 as well, except that in certain cases, even if these types of errors were present, it might still do the jump back to for the DC or DS. It would just fail to jump to the coda. In other cases, incorrect markings would cause all jumps to fail. This is also true in 2.0 - some errors will still partially work, others won't.
But in both 1.3 and 2.0, if you use the correct marking for the "To coda", everything plays correctly, including the jump back at the DC or DS and the jump to the coda.
In reply to Assuming you are talking by Marc Sabatella
I give up and finish here. I thank everybody who have helped me.
In reply to I give up and finish here. I by Eeropekka
Sorry, I know English is not your language. Let me try one more time:
In reply to MuseScore can manage rather by Miré
Thanks for all the replies to Eeropekka's initial inquiry. I particularly found Shoichi's attached example score very helpful in learning how to score complex repeats in Musescore.
In Musescore 2.1, the score, after playing DS al Coda C, never makes it past measure 26 which has a simple repeat, to the ending DC al Fine. Is this a bug in the new version of musescore?
In reply to Thanks for all the replies to by Sambaji
The only score I see attached doesn't seem to fit your description (there is no DC, and measure 26 is not relevant), so I guess you must be talking about a different one. Can you attach the score you are having trouble with? Probably there is a mismatched repeat or other non-standard use of one or more markings.
In reply to The only score I see attached by Marc Sabatella
Hello Marc,
See attached score.
Thanks for the help!
Sam
In reply to Hello Marc, See attached by Sambaji
That's a pretty complex roadmap, not sure many musicians would successfully follow what you have in mind, so no big surprise MuseScore doesn't either. Anyhow, if you really want to make that work, you'll need to make sure your jumps to coda are real jumps to coda (using the "To Coda" from the palette", and you will need to set the labels approrpiately so the right "To Coda" jumps to the right coda. And as much work as it will take you to make that happen, that's how much work musicians will need to go through every time they read the chart, so keep that in mind. Sometimes it's better to just write things out in full.
In reply to That's a pretty complex by Marc Sabatella
I actually had nothing in mind. It's just what I downloaded. It was the example someone gave in this post stream of how complex the repeats can be . I checked all the labels, etc. They all seem correct yet the score terminates before it gets to the end? No big deal. I doubt I will ever create a score roadmap that complex. I was just curious to why the score wasn't working as written.
In reply to I actually had nothing in by Sambaji
As I said, the labels are wrong. See for example the "To Coda c" in measure 6, it has a label of "coday" but the actual coda c has the label "codac". Also its marker type is "Custom" but it isn't obvious why. There are probably other errors too, but that's what I see right off the bat.
I know this is an old post, but I found it when I was needing help. I realized, stupidly, that I had repeats turned off so the song would go faster when I listened to check it. I know this may not be a common thing, but I hope that this comment may help those who need it.
Hi all -
I've seen many people struggle with DS al coda repeats. I now know from examples that it works.
What doesn't work however, is just a simple jump to coda.
i have a hard repetition, then within this section is a jump, so i want to repeat only the part before the jump.
What is wrong with the attached example??
thx for your help!
In reply to Hi all -… by rogganet
Quite simple, a To Coda is not a jump instruction, but just a jump marker, like the coda and the fine. Only D.C., D.S., D.C. al Coda and D.S. al Coda and ... Fine are jump instructions, referring to those markers, see https://musescore.org/en/handbook/repeats-and-jumps
In reply to Quote simple, a To Coda is… by Jojo-Schmitz
ok, thanks for a quick reply.
But I must still be missing the point.
1- what is the function of a separate 'to coda' if it is just a marker like the coda sign?
2- if i change 'to coda' to 'DC al fine' - which should be a jump ans is as intended, it still doesn't jump but repeats the whole thing?
In reply to Hi all -… by rogganet
For a to Coda to work, there must be either a D.S. al Coda with a segno or D.C al Coda so the coda will be taken after the musician or MuseScore repeats to the beginning or segno. Presumably you want to put a D.C. al Coda in the measure before the Coda symbol so the score will start at the beginning and then take the coda the 3rd time it is encountered. It's encountered twice due to the repeat.
In reply to For a to Coda to work, there… by mike320
thanks also, the idea here is different.
measures 19-35 are partially repeated: 19-25 contain two lines of txt. At 25 it jumps to 35 CODA to continue with the last section of txt. This is the way the music is written and I want to retain the measure numbers, so I need to copy this...
I thought 'DC al fine' would jump, but it doesn't.
In reply to thanks also, the idea here… by rogganet
For the to Coda to work you have to enter a D.C. al Coda (not D.C. al Fine) from the jump menu. You can then change the text to anything you like.
In reply to thanks also, the idea here… by rogganet
sorry - DC is DA CAPO of course so that wouldn't do it. Where is the 'Da CODA al fine'?
In reply to Hi all -… by rogganet
Have a look to my "correction" . In your example measure 5 is not played if your "to Coda" is done, so , I let this measure like it was
to CODA EXAMPLE2.mscz
In reply to Have a look to my … by Raymond Wicquart
Hi thanks, but it still doesn't jump?
In reply to Hi thanks, but it still… by rogganet
Is it jumping back to the segno? Do you have play repeats turned off?
In reply to Is it jumping back to the… by mike320
there is no segno. I just want it to jump forward to coda.
yes - it repeats allright. Too much, actually :)
In reply to there is no segno. I just… by rogganet
In Raymond's example there is a segno in measure 2. At the D.S. al Coda it should jump back to measure 2.
In reply to In Raymond's example there… by mike320
ALL-
thanks for your suggestions.
it seems that the way my paper score is printed, is impossible in MSC.
The solution is to
put a segno instead of the 'repetition-opening' at 19,
a To Coda at 25,
a CODA sign as well as a DS al Coda in 35, taking out the 'repetition close'
It will then do 19-35, 19-25, 36 etc.
Thanks again!
Rog
In reply to ALL-… by rogganet
Maybe it would help if you posted a scan of your printed score. If it's standard notation, you can surely recreate in MuseScore, and if it's not highly unusual, it should play back OK. Your original example amde no sense at all since it contained a "To Coda" and a coda but no "DC al Coda" or "DS al Coda". This makes no m usical sense at all. "To Coda" only makes sense after one of those other two instructions.
In reply to ALL-… by rogganet
Why not use voltas?
In reply to Why not use voltas? by Jojo-Schmitz
thanks again.
Yes, could do voltas, but the first would be ten measures, not very elegant.
In response to a scan of the score, it is on several pages and messy but the section is like this:
upto and including 18
19-35
19-25
36 and further
This is noted as a repeat start in m19, repeat end in m35, go to Coda at the end of m25 and Coda at the beginning of m35. No segno whatsoever. It seems this cannot be done in this way in MSC. Or are we missing an option?
In reply to thanks again… by rogganet
If you don't want to use voltas, which is understandable, you need to use D.S. al Coda for this to work. You can change the text on any or all of them if you want it to say something else. Doing this will make MuseScore play it as you want.
In reply to thanks again… by rogganet
If your score contains a coda without a DC or DS, then it is using non-standard notation and would confuse musicians accustomed to standard notation. Better to not propagate the mistake made that previous editor, and instead switch to the standard notation, which would use a DS al coda after measure 35 rather than repeat bars.
In reply to If your score contains a… by Marc Sabatella
Thanks - I was beginning to feel this was non-standard. Thanks all- I'm on my way.
Rog