Add clef to grace notes
I need to add a clef in the middle of a grace note "run" (see page 5 of attached PDF), but my typical approach to adding a new clef (selecting the note to the right of where I want the clef and double-clicking the clef in the palette) doesn't work with grace notes. If there's a better way to notate this than grace notes I'd be open to suggestions, I just haven't seen anything like this before and I'm not sure how else to do it.
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Friendly observations besides the visual notation:
Grace notes post-beat don't play on my M.S. system, i.e the last set of grace notes provided in your mscz aren't executing playback. As a result, playback proper isn't going to happen as it stands before moving on to a visual solution of fitting in a clef betwixt them. It seems an appropriate interpretation is needed to understand how to achieve what is being written before dealing with the mid-clef change if playback is of concern. With three beats per measure, the grace notes are starting on beat, so naturally there's no 'room' to play the last set of grace notes. As a workaround you could possible use a hidden 4/4 time sig. and then put a non-played/hidden note for the final post-grace notes for them to be regular grace notes, but I'm not sure if that would be an appropriate interpretation for playback purposes. Also, with 4/4 the initial chord being a dotted half would then give an extra rest afterwards which would be needing to be hidden.
If playback is of no concern, an imagined alternative would be to use tuples -- they allow for mid-clef changes. That would take some extra work though. This with the above hidden rest would make a visual form that would look okay, but it would be sort of messy in the process. Since I have some time on my hands, I'm providing an image of something that would be the result:
Of course some tweaking is still desired here, but it seems to look okay. Forgive the post-processing (added some waves), as I've been experimenting lately ;-) (included the mscz for the measure also).
N.B.
In reply to Friendly observations… by worldwideweary
Interesting. This is for Openscore, so both playback and correct notation are important. There's also formatting guidelines to follow, but this falls so far outside of the basics that I wasn't sure how to proceed. That certainly looks good, and sounds okay on my end.
In reply to Interesting. This is for… by AvenueQ
You need to ask Shoogle what he wants you to do. This is a very unusual situation.
Use the contact button here: https://musescore.org/en/user/57401
Great discussion! @worldwideweary has the right idea (i.e. use tuplets) but his/her solution misses a couple of tricks:
Once you know that (1) is possible the hidden time signature change is no longer required.
I will use the final measure of the "grace note" run as my example, as it contains pretty much all the tricky things that appear in this section.
Original:
Transcription:
Notes:
Tuplet numbers
Where did those rests in the tuplets come from? Shouldn't the tuplets on the lower staff just have smaller ratios (i.e. fewer notes) than the tuplets on the upper staff?
Small notes (or small chords)
V-shaped beams.
How did I know that the initial rest should be an eighth rest and not another duration?
In reply to Great discussion! … by shoogle
Definitely a nice point about the non-standard ratio tuples, shoogle.
It's easy to forget about this because it goes against the standard convention: having a bunch of eighth notes within a tuple that is of an eighth note didn't cross the mind. Thanks for posting here on the forum rather than only in a private message to the OP.
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