Stretchy Notes
I haven't been able to find this feature anywhere nor read anything about it in the FAQ or forums, and perhaps it already exists - but if not, I think this would be a helpful feature to have "stretchy notes" in the context I'm about to describe.
Namely, a double line on each side of a note as something one can add to a note.
For example, in the picture provided, the double lines on those whole notes are a pretty standard usage on most of the liturgical music I'm familiar with - it would also be helpful to have those double lines on quarter notes as well.
Please keep in mind that I'm not talking about stretching the text - I'm only talking about putting those double lines as an indicator that said note can have as many or as little syllables on it as one wants, for singing purposes.
Have I missed a way to do this? Thanks!
-Gidoza
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This is how a double whole note looks like in Bravura. In Emmentaler it only has one line either side of the head
@Gidoza, a 'Breve', see: https://musescore.org/en/node/272515
I don't think you should use a shorter duration if more syllables are to be sung.
In reply to @Gidoza, a 'Breve', see:… by Shoichi
Allright, so I did eventually find it in the Master Palette, thank you. :)
However, for my purposes - it would be very appropriate to have the double lines apply to any note type - quarter notes are used often for this in Byzantine music and I find it particularly helpful to be able to use quarter notes with double lines in the same way if possible.
In reply to Allright, so I did… by Gidoza
Also, to clarify this statement - what I'm saying is that it would be nice if this wasn't a symbol in the Master Palette, but something that can just automatically "attach" itself to a note with a click (like a staccato).
In reply to Also, to clarify this… by Gidoza
Possible already:
In reply to Possible already… by Jojo-Schmitz
Ohhhhhhh! I see now! Yes that was in the other thread as well, but it didn't click in my head. :) Not a quarter note double-line thingie but I guess it'll have to do. :)
Thank you so much!!!
I want to clarify as it seems there might still be a misunderstanding:
What you are talking about is not a symbol you attach to a whole note. It doesn't mean "stretch this note", it is a different type of note entirely. A quarter note is a quarter note, whole note is a whole note, and a brerve is a breve. Just as you don't create a half note by first entering a whole note then adding a stem, nor do you create an eighth note by first creating a quarter note and then adding a flag, you don't create a breve by first creating a whole note then adding these bars. It's just a different duration, period. So it is accessed exactly the same as the other durations - using the icons on the note input toolbar. There is no such thing as a quarter note with these lines - that has no meaning in standard musical notation.
It's a matter of personal taste whether to use single or double lines for breves. The default in MuseScore is to use single lines, but you can change this using the methods described above if you prefer that look.
In reply to I want to clarify as it… by Marc Sabatella
Hi Marc,
From what the others showed me, your description of the Breve does not match the experience I've had of actually inputting them in MuseScore (now that I know how). Hitting the button transforms the quarter note into the Breve, but it still has a quarter note duration. Moreover - regardless of whether the Breve is supposed to be a note of a specific length or not, the specific intention that I (and many others) have with these notes is that any number of syllables are to fit on it; that's simply how they're used for liturgical texts. My suggestion in this regard is that instead of having a Breve as a particular note, to actually create a format whereby it does not matter what musical notation font one is using - one can just click the button for any note whatsoever and double lines appear around it. Double-lined notes are so incredibly critical to liturgical tonal music, and having an easier way to access them would certainly be appreciated.
Thanks,
-James
In reply to Hi Marc, From what the… by Gidoza
Entering a quarter note and then making it look as if it were a breve is the wrong thing to do, plain and simple. It won't playback back correctly, the music won't space correctly, it won't export correctly to other formats, and so on. The correct way to enter a breve is the same was how you enter a half note or whole note or eighth note or any other type of note - simply select that duration before entering the note. Breves are in absolutely no way different from other types of notes in this respect. Select duration, enter note - that is how note input works. You don't enter a note of the wrong duration then kludge it to look like another duration - that's more work, and produces the wrong results.
So, when done correctly the way I am describing it, entering a breve is exactly as easy as entering any other type of note, because that is precisely what it is - just another type of note. Select the duration (eighth, half, whole, breve, or whatever), then enter the note, period.
As mentioned, the usual way breves are displayed have only a single line, but if you happen to prefer the notation that some editors use with the double lines, that is fine, you can get that in seconds by changing the style setting as noted. Do that once, save the result as a template, and you never have to make that setting again for future scores either - just select that template in the wizard.
In reply to Hi Marc, From what the… by Gidoza
BTW, I should also clarify that what I am saying is not some arbitrary thing about how MuseScore works - it is part of the definition of a breve. That is, a breve is a note of a specific duration, not just in MuseScore but in standard music notation according to any reference on the subject. MuseScore generally works by supporting standard notation, not by inventing new ones. A breve isn't a whole note with lines around it, any more than an eighth note is a quarter note with a flag on it. Eighths and quarters are different durations, just as whole notes and breves are. That's just what they are, in MuseScore as well as anywhere else.
It's also not the case that the purpose of breves is about having arbitrary numbers of syllables. On the contrary, many if not most breves throughout history have had but a single syllable on them - a syllable held for the full duration of the note (equivalent to two whole notes). It is true that this particular note value is also used to indicate a "reciting tone" in chants in the manner you describe. Still, it is not that the breve means that, it is that the breve is chosen to represent this because it happens to be a sufficiently long duration.
For now you can use the symbols palette to add the lines and invisible tremolo to divide the notes. I do not know very much about liturgical music but it seems like this is a feature to be added.