Squeezing several full measures into one line
Hello,
This may seems strange, but I am wondering if I could force several measures that are extremely
full into one line. I don't care how the top line looks, I just want several measures to appear on one line.
I tinkered with all of the settings I could find through documentation and forum searches.
This would really help me. Thanks!
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Delete System Breaks first.
In reply to Delete System Breaks first. … by Ziya Mete Demircan
Hi Ziya,
Is there an option by which I can keep the normal page size and just squeeze all the notes in the upper part as tightly as possible?
Thank you
In reply to Hi Ziya, Is there an option… by Alex Shen1
use "small staff" (for additional "cue-staff") <= I think this is what you want to do.
Right click on an empty place in the top staff.
select staff/part properties
in the pop-up window: select the small staff option or adjust "Scale" size // eg: 50%
These notes are already about as close together as they possibly can be without overlapping. You can reduce all the settings in Format / Style / Measure to 0 to squeeze things a little closer still, but you can't change the laws of physics - if a note is "X" millimeters wide, and the staff is "Y" millimeter wide, you can't fit more than Y/X notes on that staff.
In reply to These notes are already… by Marc Sabatella
Actually it would be perfect if they could in fact overlap. I would prefer it if I can adjust the score however I need while disregarding how the top part looks. Is there a way to squeeze it if it doesn't matter that they overlap?
Thanks alot
In reply to Actually it would be perfect… by Alex Shen1
If how the top parts looks isn't important, then the real solution is to make the staff invisible, then it won't affect the spacing of the other staves at all. Do this in Edit / Instruments.
If for some reason that isn't an option, it would help if you took a step back to explain the actual goal here, then maybe we can help you find the best way to achieve it.
In reply to If how the top parts looks… by Marc Sabatella
I tried making every aspect of that staff invisible, but it seems to still effect the layout. Perhaps I went wrong about it? I right clicked and selected "staff properties" and unchecked everything as well as in advanced options. I also made key sign and time sig invisible.
What would you recommend?
In reply to I tried making every aspect… by Alex Shen1
press "i" key on your keyboard (to open the Instruments window)
Then, uncheck "visible" box on piano instrument.
In reply to press "i" key on your… by Ziya Mete Demircan
This worked great for making it invisible! But the measures are still catered to the top part, is there
a way I could squeeze them in?
In reply to This worked great for making… by Alex Shen1
delete "system break"s. (I've written this before.)
click on it and press "del" key.
In reply to delete "system break"s. (I… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Thanks alot! This combined with making the staff invisible resulted in exactly what I needed!
In reply to delete "system break"s. (I… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Hi Again,
Is it possible (While leaving the notes visible) to cram all the notes together without having to select them one by one?
I tried stretching, playing with measure sizes, distances between notes, etc.
But the only way I can actually cram it like this is by clicking a note, and moving it with the arrow keys.
To literally make something like this:
In reply to Hi Again, Is it possible … by Alex Shen1
It would, again, help if you explained your actual goal here, so we can help you look at the big picture and figure out the best way of actually achieving the goal rathter than merely the best way to complete one particular step that may or may not turn out to be necessary once we understand the goal
That said, sure, you can create ugly looking things like that easily. For instance, select the range, hit the Notes button in the Inspector to limit the select to just notes, then decrease the "Leading space" for all at once. You could create a whole page of this in about five seconds flat.
In reply to It would, again, help if you… by Marc Sabatella
The goal would be hard for me to type out. I am doing some testing for a project, and one of the tests would benefit if I could do this.
Thanks for the suggestion - I went through the entire leading space range from positive to negative but it only seems to be able to bring the notes closer, while what I really need is for them to actually overlap:
In reply to The goal would be hard for… by Alex Shen1
Well, it becomes increasingly harder for us to help if you don't tell us what you are trying to do. So as much you don't want to take the time to explain, consider how much time we are spending trying to help you but wasting the effort because we don't understand the problem.
In reply to Well, it becomes… by Marc Sabatella
The effort isn't wasted. The problem I am trying to solve is as I described it. I require one line to have tons of notes, and the other to have the main melody. While adjusting the display such that the display of the main melody is proper while disregarding that of the tons of little notes.
I wish you would take my word that its not practical for me to explain exactly why I need to run this specific test, because to lay out the context would be an essay in itself. I am running different tests that require certain parameter changes in musescore. And this happens to be one in which I ran into a problem. Resizing the score to make it fit, creates an extremely large file, making the notes invisible causes another area of the test to fail, and this is where I realized I need the entire score to be visible but force a horizontal fit of the 'ugly' line.
Thanks for your time Marc.
In reply to The effort isn't wasted. The… by Alex Shen1
OK, well then without a clear description of the problem, then I am unable to help. Good luck, I hope you manage to figure something out!
In reply to OK, well then without a… by Marc Sabatella
Well, I hope someone would be willing to tell me the specific directions I am looking for - not any different from asking how to resize letters in Word Processor. There isn't a 'problem' there is a necessity for an action that MuseScore can either do or not.
In reply to Well, I hope someone would… by Alex Shen1
Copy and paste the image of what you've already done into your score as often as you want. And then if you need it to playback, use the invisible staff.
As far as anyone understands about your actual goal, that would work perfectly. You haven't told us enough to know otherwise.
In reply to Copy and paste the image of… by Marc Sabatella
I'll try to be more descriptive:
I'll create an exaggerated example to express what I need. Suppose I want to create a digital recording that contains two lines of music. One has a slow beautiful melody, and the other has 1,000 notes per measure. assume that's what was necessary to create the desired effect. Next, I would want to print the sheet music such that both lines remain visible on the page but only the melodic line is regarded when considering aesthetics. Of course this would mean that the 1000 notes would have to be scrunched up together beyond comprehension. Why would one want to do this? I guess they wouldn't, I know notation software is not specifically designed to do that kind of work. But this is the best way I can describe what I need. I suppose you could say that I can create the digital file and then manually copy paste the 'ugly' stuff. But of course, that would defeat the purpose of my wanting to know if MuseScore is capable of doing this. Thanks.
In reply to I'll try to be more… by Alex Shen1
Use A0 (or custom size) paper and get what you want.
I've shown this before.
In reply to Use A0 (or custom size)… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Shown what before?
This was a reply to Marc's comment, not sure what this has anything to do with it.
In reply to Shown what before? This was… by Alex Shen1
Examples...
A0 paper, A3 paper, etc...
there is another one.
Look, it's done in any way you want.
Just find a printer that can print it.
That's not Musescore's problem either.
In reply to Examples... A0 paper, A3… by Ziya Mete Demircan
If you want to a make video, you can do it using OBS studio (with sound of course). But you could already do that in Continuous-View.
then, You can put it on Y0u7ube or another site.
In reply to I'll try to be more… by Alex Shen1
Sorry, that still leaves the most important question unanswered, of what the actual goal is. That way we can help you find better solutions that are actually easy and still accomplish the goal.
It's like you keep asking, which bus from Boston to Paris is fastest, when it turns out your actual goal is to get to New York but you were under the mistaken impression you had to do it by way of Paris for some reason. Until we know what the actual goal is, we can't begin to guess the better way of getting there.
That said, based on a literal read, to get from Boston to Paris by bus in this analogy, set the staff size of the 1000-note-per-line music to be appropriately tiny. It will be just as unreadable as what you're asking for, but it fulfills the stated requirement completely and perfectly. Or if the goal is to actually be able to read the music, print on sufficiently paper, as suggested before. Lots of possible solutions, but once again, we can't begin to know what is best until we understand your actual goal.
Anyhow, if you want to actually solve the problem, we are happy to help, but we need to understand in order to be of much use. Or you can keep trying to find that bus from Boston to Paris. Your choice.
In reply to The goal would be hard for… by Alex Shen1
You can select all the notes in a measure (select the measure and click the notes button in the inspector) then make the leading space value a negative number. This will compress the notes as much as can be done. It seems from my experience that about -1.5 is the most that will work, but there may be other factors that affect this number.
In reply to You can select all the notes… by mike320
Hi Mike, I tried this and it gets closer to what I need but, yes it is too limited in that it wont allow me to actually overlay the notes on top of eachother. Thank you.
In reply to Hi Mike, I tried this and it… by Alex Shen1
Create your score with Musescore.
Export your score as musicxml format.
Then find a software that can convert this file to modify it as you wish.
In reply to Create your score with… by Ziya Mete Demircan
Ok, I take it MuseScore is not able to do what I had written unless done manually?
In reply to Ok, I take it MuseScore is… by Alex Shen1
I don't know. Maybe it can be done, maybe not.
I don't know, because we (engravers, composers, arrangers, transcribers) want the notes and elements (articulations, dots, etc..) to be separate from each other. We don't want these elements to overlap.
In reply to I don't know. Maybe it can… by Ziya Mete Demircan
I understand. It's certainly not an important feature for notation software, but thought I'd give it a shot given that MuseScore has everything else I need for my project that other softwares don't. Anyway, thank you for your time.
With tempo 100, if you find a musician who plays 16 notes in a time, make a vidéo !!!
In reply to With tempo 100, if you find… by Raymond Wicquart
Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqounIuUOeE
Hes playing at about DottedQuarter = 140.
approx 14 notes per sec.
In reply to Check this out: https://www… by Alex Shen1
@Alex, OT, 19 notes per second (with each hand)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubomyr_Melnyk
I would write this as 32nd note tremolos and fit about 6 measures on a staff.
In reply to I would write this as 32nd… by mike320
Writing them as tremolos actually doesn't result in what im trying to accomplish. But its a good suggestion.